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charlie6178
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: new motor almost ready for the racecar Reply with quote

just thought i'd throw some pics up and see what you guys thought of it.

it's a GM Small block, 434ci, SB2.2 heads, custom one off blower manifold, calies chrome crank, billet aluminum rods, malhe pistons.....

were have a 1271 roots blower for it. were going to run it on alcohol at 24psi and see what kind of fun we can have.







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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Awesome! What is this going into? This your project or what? Details man, details hehe.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah, we are building a top fuel nostalgia funny car. We should have it at the track by the end of the season.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:04 am    Post subject: Re: new motor almost ready for the racecar Reply with quote

charlie6178 wrote:

it's a GM Small block, 434ci,


Looks more like a BB to me Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: new motor almost ready for the racecar Reply with quote

91RSVert wrote:
charlie6178 wrote:

it's a GM Small block, 434ci,


Looks more like a BB to me Confused


Heads are giving you the impression. You can actually see its a 509 sb 400 block in the one pic. These heads have canted valves like a bb. But if you look at the exhaust ports the center 2 are still together like a sb. On a bb they're all equally distant.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is a pretty slick intake. How did you weld it and how hard was the inside welds? Looks nice.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Re: new motor almost ready for the racecar Reply with quote

chevymad wrote:

Heads are giving you the impression. You can actually see its a 509 sb 400 block in the one pic. These heads have canted valves like a bb. But if you look at the exhaust ports the center 2 are still together like a sb. On a bb they're all equally distant.


Shows I still dont know my v8's.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah it's just a small block. the intake was actually really easy. i bought myself one of those nascar spider manifold blanks from GMPP, then took it to the band saw and cut the plenum off the runners. took some sheetmetal and made the plug for the runners, then welded'er up! and the inside welds weren't too bad, i welded the blower plate on last. but i just TIG welded it with a 3/16 tungston, and alumi-mix instead of argon.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is badass!!!!! I wish I had a set of 2.2 heads those make the whole motor! Very Happy

Im diggin the nostalgic snap on tool box in the background!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the 2.2 heads are some cool bits of kit. Really if you buy them used, the prices aren't that bad. I would really like to do something with a set, or even a pair of 18* GMPP heads.

Are the 2.2's a 15* valve angle?

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah the stuff is cheap for what you get! i started buying the stuff on Ebay a while back. i have a 3 complete sets of heads, with rockers, 2 blocks(both are O-Ringed w/billet splayed mains), and enough parts for 2 complete motors, plus a spare set of heads. so we can run the car all weekend without tearing down a motor.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote





BTW that's what it's all going in.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

why such a blunt nose?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

91RSVert wrote:
why such a blunt nose?


that's just how it came out of the mold. it's supposed to be an 78' vette... they look alot better painted. and when the body work gets done it'll be rounded a little more.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the body design. So can you bolt a normal vette front to it then?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my previous post I said the valves were canted.. looking at those heads, it looks like they're just offset. The 2.2s have canted or just offset valves?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Going in conjunction with Brandon's post;

Is there some kind of power advantage to the way the valves are spaced in the head for airflow/velocity?

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quasi-Traction wrote:
Going in conjunction with Brandon's post;

Is there some kind of power advantage to the way the valves are spaced in the head for airflow/velocity?


Look at how big the ports are and the design. The ports run straight into the valve and there isn't much clearance for any other kind of design.

I'm sure they are some giant valves, so you'd want the intake valve towards the intake a bit to clear the bore of a SBC.

The staggering of valves is kinda like the VW "W" engines.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you think A 12-71 is a little overkill on a small block? I bet you'd make more power on an 8-71.

Either way, makes my M90 look like a dot on the map Laughing

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boostd1 wrote:
Don't you think A 12-71 is a little overkill on a small block? I bet you'd make more power on an 8-71.

Either way, makes my M90 look like a dot on the map Laughing


well that's what i thought at first too. but we are running 434 cubes..... and 14:1 compression, on alcohol, at 24PSI, and spinging the damn thing 10,000 RPM. i know, i know. it sounds a little crazy. but i wanna go fast. plus at the march meet in bakersfeild, and the nightfire in boise, i'm gonna be running the car on nitro. not like 98% or anything crazy, just enough to here it cackle, and have 6' header flames Cheers

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