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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: new audio idea |
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So ive decided to scrap my plans for m 12w3, im not happy with the look of the box and how it fits down in the well, my ultimate goal is to keep it underneath the first shelf, and since im running on a Type R 12 thats half blown (one voice coil went out) i figured i could do 2 8" W3s which only need like .3 cu ft a piece, and when i measured it i think i got like 1.5 out of that lower half, so im thinking build a single box thats .6 cu ft, build a nice fasad and amp rack for it and let it rip. My type R still hits like crazy but i know im only getting half of its potential out of it, and its wreaking havoc on my voltage at idle lol those things are so power hungry its not even funny
The idea is that 2 8's will give me 16" of cone surface which will push more air than a 12 obviously, and ive heard these things POUND, JL doesnt mess around with their subs as most of us know, they can take 250W RMS and my DBDrive amp is supposedly 600@2 ohms, however after some research and quick math on the amp its more around the 500 mark, so its perfect for these little guys.
Opinions? Ideas? _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 11:49 am Post subject: |
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I hate to bust your bubble, but the math says that one 16" speaker yields twice the surface area of two 8" speakers. Even your 12" Type R has more surface area than two 8" speakers combined, by about 13 cubic inches. But with an enclosure built to the correct specs, any speaker can sound awesome. I'll let you have a look at mine with a single 12" sometime Mine has 1.5cf of air space for the single MOJO.
pi = ~3.14
area = pi X r(squared)
8" area, pi X 16 = ~50sq inches
16" area, pi X 64 = ~200sq inches _________________ 92 Camaro
89 Camaro
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Pi FTMFW!!! |
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| mmmmm Pi |
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flea Member

Joined: 25 Jul 2008 Posts: 1246 Location: Raymond WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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apple pi?
i like apple pi, its so warm and the texture cant be beat  _________________ Killing mailboxes since 2009 |
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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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True, but heres my other reasoning on this: type r is half toasted, and I get jl accomodations thru work so I can make a nice small box to fit in there lol and if I really wanted to have some real fun I could do 4 of the 8 ohm drivers and really go over the top lol however im just going to do 2 8's maybe share space, probly partition the enclosure and do a fasad with some plexi to show it off
And for the record I hate pi lol _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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Those 8" Kenwood eXcelon woofers I have in my sail panels (the ones you made the adapter for) do pretty good on only 60WRMS, though they're rated at 150WRMS. I'd like to feed them more power some day, but they're doing the job for now  |
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Richster Magic Fingers

Joined: 06 Oct 2008 Posts: 879 Location: The Black-Hole
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Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| flea wrote: | apple pi?
i like apple pi, its so warm and the texture cant be beat  |  _________________
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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<singing>.....she's my cherry pi....</singing>
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blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
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Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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A Warrant reference on a thirdgen board.
Seems about right
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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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Im going for a super small box, done 10s and 12s, and im highly impressed by the 8s, the idea is to build the box 25 inches long by 7 tall, to keep it under the shelf, I can get more output from 2 8s than.what im getting now especially since my current box isnt spec'd and the type r is half toast, ive done plenty of setups with 8s that suprise the hell out of people, only way to know is to do it lol
On a side bote has anyons figured out how to stop the rear bumper from rattling? Its driving me nuts _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| It's your license plate rattling in the bracket. Take the plate out and Dyna-mat the side of the bracket that the plate mounts on. That should keep the plate from vibrating in the bracket. |
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Al Hasse wrote: | | I hate to bust your bubble, but the math says that one 16" speaker yields twice the surface area of two 8" speakers. |
Damn math f***ing up your plans!  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Al Hasse wrote: | | It's your license plate rattling in the bracket. Take the plate out and Dyna-mat the side of the bracket that the plate mounts on. That should keep the plate from vibrating in the bracket. |
Its not that, thats already dynamatted, when I hold the bumper the rattle goes away _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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When I had 4 10's my whole bumper would hop.
The rattle is probably the honey comb against the metal. You have to take the skin off and put felt in there.
And for the record, I never used dynomat. It is only for large panels that are resorting, not actually shaking. Use felt and or silicon. Especially if its two pieces rattling against each other. _________________ E30
86 RS - 7.4L V8 SOLD
89 RS - 3.25L V6 REMOVED
89 RS - 5.7L LT1 SOLD
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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
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Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2011 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | | Where are you holding? |
Just putting my knees against the bumper, im sure its the brace like blue89 mentioned _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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