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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 7:08 am    Post subject: This is unbelivable. Reply with quote

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4/msgs/1584624.phtml

wow Shocked Shocked Shocked

i wonder how fast they were going..... probably had the typical AWD/Quattro = unwreckable mantality.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked WHOA!! WOW
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a sobering reminder for all of us to drive within our limits and our cars' limits. I don't want to see a CC car/driver wind up like that. Sad

I think the most saddening thing is not that the driver was killed (that's just natural selection, nature weeding out the weak/leadfooted/etc), it's that he took his passenger's life, someone whe had no control over what was going on.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love the lack of tred on the tires. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed... that is truely sobering. And very scary as well.


By chance, does anyone have a link for a news brief or police report that went along with this? Where it was and such.


And this may be a bit inappropriate (curiosity killed the cat), how do they clean blood up so effectively before the pictures are taken?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they cleaned anything up except to cover the bodies. Maybe after they remove the bodies they might clean up a bit, but that's still unlikely. The victims probably died instantly or very close to that, and the human body doesn't bleed too much if the heart isn't pumping. I also don't think there would be much of a mess anyway, since the bodies seem to still be pretty intact (just one cover per victim).
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 21, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yikes!! Makes me feel bad....and lucky.....to have raced that blasted Honda yesterday at over 100mph. The worst part is.....I lost. Of course, I was sober and I assume whomever was driving this Audi wasn't. Poor souls, as if "Do NOT drink and drive" isn't slammed into most peoples' heads enough......
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gibby85 wrote:
Poor souls, as if "Do NOT drink and drive" isn't slammed into most peoples' heads enough......
Very true the message is out there, and alot of people that drive drunk probably didn't intend to when they left home, but people don't seem to remember to use their brains after they get loaded. Sad Alot of DUI crashes kill innocent bystanders too, while sometimes leaving the driver intact. Mad

There's probably one of these deadly reminders of why people shouldn't drink and drive every day (more often, actually). Maybe if the anti-DUI ads showed a bit more of these it would be more effective.

There's a body shop on about 65th or 70th & SE Stark that always has a wrecked DUI vehichle on display on the corner, and they replace it with a new victim fairly often. That display has always stuck in my mind. Maybe a few more of those in prominent locations around town would help keep the consequences in mind when people think about driving drunk. Idea
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What makes me angry is my friends.

Most of them abuse alcohol way too much (I mean, I drink occasionaly, but they put Norm to shame)

And most of them not only drive drunk, but attend street races hammered.

Sad sad world. I hate to say it, but someone at my high school needs to get in a crash just to set an example. As horrible as that may sound far too many people I know have this "I am invincible" approach to everything.

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With that said... Is it scientifically true that a person under the influence can withstand far more trauma then a sober person, and this is why the offending driver in a DUI accident usually survives? I have heard it before, and it sounds fairly credible, but I still doubt.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midnight Sun wrote:
...far too many people I know have this "I am invincible" approach to everything.
I think that comes standard-issue with youth. It takes time to realize that some things hurt, some kill, and yes seeing people you know die can cure it in a hurry. I've probably lost at least 25% of my friends and relatives over my 28 years, and I know it changed me in a hurry.

Midnight Sun wrote:
Is it scientifically true that a person under the influence can withstand far more trauma then a sober person, and this is why the offending driver in a DUI accident usually survives?
I suppose that if you are numbed to some degree, you may not go into shock as fast, but since the alcohol thins your blood, you will bleed more/faster than a sober person so it probably evens out.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Midnight Sun wrote:
Sad sad world. I hate to say it, but someone at my high school needs to get in a crash just to set an example. As horrible as that may sound far too many people I know have this "I am invincible" approach to everything.


Sounds like you and Jesse James have something in common.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got to see the results of a DUI accident tonight while at the hospital...

driver and passenger had a few scratches and a broken wrist (respectively)...

their victim?
a 17 yearold girl with severe head trauma (partial crushed skull, lost one eye, nose pretty much torn off, ear missing, upper and lower jaw caved in), crushed ribcage, internal bleeding pretty much everywhere, burst appendix, went into shock and last I knew her kidneys had just failed her by the time I had left (I was there for about 5 hours).

sad sad world this is...

the likelihood of the two who hit her being given more than a few years probation, a forced attendance to detox then AA, and a few points on their records is extremely slim.

though the outcome is severe for the victim, basically anyone who kills someone while DUI gets a slap on the wrist, even a lot of the repeat offenders

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

in response to the f'd up audi above,if alchohol was involved,serves them right.


although it should never happen once...

i dont feel people deserve the right to drive after being convicted of a first offense,if there gonna endanger there own lives,so be it,dont recklessly get in a damn car and endagner someone else's life. i have absolutely NO remorse for anyone hurt or killed if driving intoxicated on ANY substance,but maybe that makes me an asshole *shrug*

my sister,whom i dont remember{because i was too young} was killed by a drunk driver Evil or Very Mad whom,as aaron mention's,got i beleive i was told by my parents 3 years probation,and a 5 year suspension on his license. wtf is that about? hes on probation for 3 years for murder? F that. far as im concerned,what he dealt her,shouldnt have been dealt right back to him.

and to the mods,sorry,but i have a strong standing on this subject,probably shouldnt have posted,but oh well. Sad
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mark, i don't think any of us feel any diffrent about drunk drives, but remeber, we all do stupid reckless things too, going 100+ is not safe, and not exactly responsable.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewey316 wrote:
mark, i don't think any of us feel any diffrent about drunk drives, but remeber, we all do stupid reckless things too, going 100+ is not safe, and not exactly responsable.
*Shrug* if your implying that about myself...going 100+ down a backroad where yo ucan only hurt your self and maybe a tree,is far different IMHO then some drunk driving too and from a bar or what have you.


anyways,im done with this subject before i really say what i think on this subject.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to remember too that not everybody can control themselves while intoxicated, its not only their responsability, but the people around them that let them get into the cars drunk.

It's not Murder, it's manslaughter. It's similiar to when people pleed insanity and get off. It's dumb, it sucks, we all don't like it. No need to get so exicted about some pictures.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no mark, i wasn't implying that

i have done it, and i am sure at some other point, we have all gone faster than we should have with others around.

your right, i have no problem wiht you going faster on a back road with no-one on it, the thing is, you never know when there will be a car around the next corner, or an SUV halfway in your lane. the truth is, we have all done things in our car we probably shouldn't have. and as much as i hate drunk drivers, if a sober person plows into someone at over 100mph, IMHO they are just as guilty, and just as bad as a drunk driver.

please don't take it like i am talking about you at all, and take it that i or anyone else is defending drunk drivers, we are all on the same page on that subject, i think those jerk-offs that kill kids when they plow into a mini-van on its way home from soccer practice, should be in jail for the rest of their lifes.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
You have to remember too that not everybody can control themselves while intoxicated, its not only their responsability, but the people around them that let them get into the cars drunk.

It's not Murder, it's manslaughter. It's similiar to when people pleed insanity and get off. It's dumb, it sucks, we all don't like it. No need to get so exicted about some pictures.


people don't exactly get off when they plead insanity... they're comitted and put under heavy evaluation for quite some time... then they're usually re-tried and sentenced to death or life in prison... very rarely do they walk free, and in the off chance that they do, they're back within a few months anyway because they can't control the urges.

not really getting excited about pics nor was anyone else really...though somebody made the comment about drunk driving and i felt i may as well post something...


Murder:
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.


Manslaughter:
The unlawful killing of one human by another without express or implied intent to do injury.


not a whole lot of difference there...
Murder can be justified (to the murderer atleast)
Manslaughter is accidental ...
course there are different levels of each

but you sort of get the gist of it.

personally i don't think killing a person while intoxicated should be treated any differently than murder...

saying "oh, i was drunk at the time!" is no excuse not to own up to killing somebody...

hardly any of the people who get off of killing someone while drunk feels much remorse at all...

why?
because they're usually back in the bars within a week anyway.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dewey316 wrote:
please don't take it like i am talking about you at all, and take it that i or anyone else is defending drunk drivers, we are all on the same page on that subject, i think those jerk-offs that kill kids when they plow into a mini-van on its way home from soccer practice, should be in jail for the rest of their lifes.


though I dislike children and wouldn't care one way or another...

there are at times punishments more severe than life in prison...

such as having to stay on the scene of the accident while sobering up
watching them pull each body out of the mangled car and be put onto stretchers, into bodybags, or given immediate life support and tossed into an ambulance.
then riding along with them in said ambulance
and going to the hospital with them as well
being there when they're going through the entire schpiel of being hooked up, iv's, local anasthetics, etc and the whole life saving process if needed.
then being forced to watch as the doctor calls it and bags the body(ies) up
taken to the morgue to sit with said bodies till the bodies are taken away to be drained and prepared.
forced to watch the entire embalming process
forced to stand near the caskets during the viewings leading up to the funeral
forced to stay there at the funeral under the hateful watch of the entire family and friends
forced to stand at the podium during the funeral and own up to the entire collection of loved ones that he f*cked up, he ruined their lives, etc etc.

and after all is said and done, his future should be left to the families decision.

either way, if they decide he be kept alive, or put to death, the remainder of his life one way or another they have to live with the fact that the family had the final say in it... all while being sober.

being in debt to a family for taking lives, then being kept alive, is something no person would be able to live with before requesting a way out... or finding a way out themselves.

it really is too bad they don't enforce many laws on the subject, because i can think of a few hundred different ways for a person who be sentenced that do not involve being put to death, life in prison, suspended license or basically any other slap on the wrist...

(and while i'm at it, i do not support life in prison with chance for appeal or parole... i fully support the death sentence and believe it should be carried out within 6 months to a year, depending on the circumstances)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okie dokie

i think this one has run it's course and we had a chance to express our opinions.

be careful out there.

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