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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| No, it will have more overlap than stock. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| overlap is when both the exhasut valve and the intake valve are open at the same time right? i want more of that? |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: | | overlap is when both the exhasut valve and the intake valve are open at the same time right? i want more of that? |
Yep. That helps give the car that "lopey" sound. At higher RPM it helps get the exhaust out and intake in faster. You suffer at idle though. To pass emissions you will need a cat.
Change cams/heads you WILL need computer work. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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meh, i wanted to do computer work anyway. i am finaly replacing my 900MHZ celeron computer (*we are talking arcaic here. 100MHZ system bus ) and i have decided on a laptop.. partialy so i can tune in car
is there any low/midrange power setup i can get? i don't like winding my engine out to 5K to make any power. i like my engines powerfull between 1.5 - 4.5. |
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
1986 Chevrolet Camaro Berlinetta
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| rjmcgee wrote: | Put a carb on it.  |
I also think that a good set of Vortec heads will be a good investment. I say this because I'm thinking about what shultzy hinted at. Think about the big picture with the car. Yes, you do have an immediate problem that will get worse if something isn't done. If you're gonna have to spend the money to fix or replace it, do what you want to the first time. It might be a little extra dough, but its money well spent. Find out if it really is valve seals or if you have another problem going on. Make a plan and then set a (realistic) budget, and go for it. If you end up having to remove the heads, you can make money towards the new ones by re-selling them. besides, even if they aren't at optimum flow (for instance, just doing the heads and sticking with the stock TPI) it'll still be an improvement, and there will probably be some (maybe small) power gains that come from it. just my .02 _________________
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
1989 Pontiac GTA
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Schultzy89GTA wrote: | | Twilightoptics wrote: | Miniram is in excess of $1200 for the intake alone.
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It's not cheap but let's be accurate. The manifold is $895 and if you purchase their fuel rail kit that runs $355.
-Schultzy |
Excess of $1200 would equate to $1250 lol
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Well I took the 'intake alone' to mean the intake manifold. Whatever, of course you are right.
We are still all over the place here but I gave my 2 cents. Next thing you know we will have Tony in an awesome set of heads with a big 'ol cam and a stock TPI base/runners. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
-Schultzy |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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| well, if i go with vortec heads i would need a new base in order to keep my TPI. thats why i am looking at alternative intakes. that TPI base is 300+ allready. might as well spend the extra dough to get a better intake. |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam

Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Ya know a 750 cfm Edelbrock will cost you under $450 and you will be roaring to go!  _________________ 1983 Z-28 5.7 LT1, T56, Headman headers, BW 9 Bolt Posi Disc, WS6 suspension
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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carb
i like my fuel injection thanks. i can mod the shizzle out of it and remain emissions legal. also i am scared of carbs. one of my mopar buddies was telling me how lucky i am to be injected "my carb has over 100 phisical settings i can screw up"- i think he was exagerating, but still...
i know mike has TPIS miniram, and paul has Holley Stealth Ram. do they both move the power band alot higher? i like low end tourqe. alot. (by that i mean both "i love alot of low and tourque", and "i love low end tourque alot")
hmm.. carb.. should i ? |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: |
is there any low/midrange power setup i can get? i don't like winding my engine out to 5K to make any power. i like my engines powerfull between 1.5 - 4.5. |
Then leave it where it is. Or get bigger cubic inches. That's pretty much all you've got going for you in that range. Sure there are a few things you can do, but nothing worth the money.
You've got to spin a small block to get the air flow to make the power.
Mike and I shift around 6k. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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If you really want the torque then stay TPI and spend twice, if not three times as much making it flow less.  |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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.... .... well, i guess icould get used to a high reving engine! 3X as much.. screw that. |
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:54 pm Post subject: |
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Fuel injection is cool, but I guess to me there's more sensors and relays and more electrical to fail or go wrong on me or be run incorrectly. That's why I prefer the almighty carburator. To me a carb is simple, and simple is good. _________________
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KH29ROCKS3 Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| More lowend torque..........put shorter legs under it. You'll get all kinds of torque.......4:10's........would be a tire smoker. Probably the cheapest way to go. Will need to have the speed sensor programed so the digital speedo reads correctly......at least that's what I was told. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| yes, that would work. |
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TecherB Princess B
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Some place between gresham and portland
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Schultzy89GTA wrote: |
We are still all over the place here but I gave my 2 cents. Next thing you know we will have Tony in an awesome set of heads with a big 'ol cam and a stock TPI base/runners. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
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If john gets to involved he will have a awesome set of heads cam intake sitting in his living room floor, for a year, just waiting to get those last few gaskets and other parts so he can do it all at one time.

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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| NO no no. He will have everything he needs, plus a spare set of wheels, plus parts for his other car. Then he will descide it is too cold to work on the car. |
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TecherB Princess B
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Some place between gresham and portland
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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| and his valve seals would still be leaking |
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rjmcgee The Hammer

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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| TecherB wrote: | | Schultzy89GTA wrote: |
We are still all over the place here but I gave my 2 cents. Next thing you know we will have Tony in an awesome set of heads with a big 'ol cam and a stock TPI base/runners. Weeeeeeeeeeee.
-Schultzy |
If john gets to involved he will have a awesome set of heads cam intake sitting in his living room floor, for a year, just waiting to get those last few gaskets and other parts so he can do it all at one time.
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chevymad Master B
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Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Ummm. somebody stole Bart's account.. or wrote that for him. There's no where near enough mis-spellings and grammar errors. .. I almost understood it even. |
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