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The Mountain Man in Mazda Madness!

 
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:35 am    Post subject: The Mountain Man in Mazda Madness! Reply with quote

Or how to put your truck on the Atkins diet...

Or how to do in three days what it's taken you two years to do in a Camaro...

Razz

For those of you who aren't cool kids and didn't make it down to dyno let me fill you in: I have gone even more insane than I was previously and bought a mini truck the night before dyno. Unfortunately I decided it wasn't worth putting on the rollers which I regret in hindsight as it would have been cool to see the change in the torque curve with the FI.

I did find the one thing I hate more than automatic transmissions, and that is Japanese carburetors. This truck has the god-awful Nikki 2bbl feedback carb on it. The issue with these carbs is that the EGR and mix control solenoids are known to get sluggish or downright stuck and cause everything to run like crap.

The truck had no power below 3K and would outright stall if you didn't floor it when it was cold, so obviously it was running lean below a certain point. I was down to about 23mpg from all the driving with my foot on the floor, and it probably wasn't too good for the rest of the motor either.

After looking at options for a carb swap (Weber 32/36 or Holley 5200) or an EFI swap using MegaSquirt or something, I found a couple guys who had built custom intake manifolds and used the EFI system from a Mazda 626.

Now the 626 EFIis a real dumb animal. It has no spark control (uses a vacuum distributor) no IAT, and no crank or cam sensors (uses the coil). This makes it very easy to swap. The downside is finding or building an intake. Not wanting to mess with building one I found a manifold off of a newer B2200i and had it shipped up here.

I then went to the local Mazda junkyard (the one off Canyon Rd. for those who have been to my house) and bought the entire ECM, harness, injectors, ect. off an '89 626. That was my first mistake. Rolling Eyes The few people who had done the swap had used '90-'92 cars. I asked Jeff (who owns the Mazda yard) if there was a change for the '88-'89 and after some fumbling in the manual he said there were "no significant differences" which I later found out meant "there are no significant similarities but I don't have a '90-'92 and I want your money." Squint

Now onto the swap:

Saturday I started with the fuel pump. There were about 7 gallons of fuel in the tank so I decided to lift the bed rather than drop the tank. The horizontal 4x4 is only there so my face isn't the widest thing between the frame and the bed Laughing



There's the culprit right there:



Mazda eschewed the traditional ring setup for a silly lock plate and philips screws. I replaced the screws with proper hex bolts due to my annoyance removing these:



I didn't get any pics of it but the Mazda uses a low-pressure electric pump for the carb. It is small and useless and mine had no sock on it which may have been a big part of the lean issues, but whatever. Razz

All EFI imports from that time period used basically the same pump. The Carter pump I bought had hundreds of applications listed in the catalog. The upper clamp was too low so I zip-tied it all together. This is the new pump in the old (carbed) pickup:



You can see the size vs. the old pump:



Carb removal was fairly uneventful until a nut froze on one of the studs and rounded off. Figuring that no one in their right mind would want to buy a Mazda intake manifold (and considering what scrap aluminum is going for) I got out the Milwaukee and "fixed" it: Wink



Yup, fixed it good. I'm subtle like that.



LIM goes on:



Injector prep (Vaseline FTW!):



Rail on and harness routed:



UIM on and airbox mocked up:




That was Saturday night. Sunday was a lot of boring soldering, studying harness diagrams, unwrapping tape, probing the a multimeter, and so forth, so I took no pictures.

Sunday night after I took the video of it starting I realized why it wouldn't stay running. See, Mazda engineers didn't really design things with any sort of logic, they just sort of did stuff and it worked so f**k it ship it over to America!

For instance: instead of having a normal fuel pump relay triggered by the ECM like everybody else on the planet, Mazda decides to have two relays both triggering the pump. The first relay is triggered by the motor stud on the starter (hot on crank) thus causeing the pump to run any time the starter is cranking. Of course you need to run the pump once the motor starts so there is a second pump relay that is grounded out as soon as the air meter door opens! I had wired the relays correctly but then forgotten about them when it kept stalling out. I jammed a screwdriver in the air meter door (remember, I'm subtle Wink) and it started right up.

Today I finished up the intake piping, made up of the intake from a 1986 Isuzu Impulse (yeah! Rolling Eyes) an exhaust adapter and a no-hub sewer pipe connector. Laughing Then I went brodying around in the rain. Throttle response is a night-and-day improvement. Top-end power seems about the same but that's to be expected on a 25-year-old Japanese four-banger with 200K on it.

I still need to re-wrap the harness, figure out where the heck to put the ECM, and finish a lot of little stuff.


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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crazy A-Hole.

I've been rolling the 4bbl Nikki for many years now. It... runs.....

Mazda in the 80's didn't really know about electronics. Hell, my entire car was run through the ignition switch - wipers, power windows, alternator, everything! No relays at all. Atleast your truck HAS a relay or two lol.

There is a reason I'm not using the stock Mazda ECU stuff I have and going straight to squirt. lol

Good work there Captain Insano.





When we gonna work on that "other" other project?

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
When we gonna work on that "other" other project?


It's up next! Laughing

I shot a quick video of the throttle response. It is... peppy to say the least.

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing Beautiful.

Any chance you want to do this again? A guy who comes into my work just bought that exact truck with something ridiculous like 40k miles on it and it does the same thing you described. He wants to swap a rotar'd into it. Not a big deal but he has very little mechanical skill. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No rotaries in trucks, that's just silliness.

Mazda actually tried it in the 70's. Google "mazda repu" Wink They sold them as a "sport" truck. It didn't go over well.

The issue with the swap is that it is not economical. I am probably into this twice what a Redline-brand Weber swap kit for this truck would cost. I did it because I must be unique (or nearly so) and I am crazy. Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And EFI is better period.



Repu's have a major cult following. They are badass little trucks. I think they may be lighter than the RX7 too. Just don't USE them as a "TRUCK"

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
I did it because I must be unique (or nearly so) and I am crazy. Laughing


I'm glad there is so much of this around here. Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would buy and drive a RePu in an instant. They are amazing. Then I would LS swap it and piss some rotards off. Laughing

I'm glad you're happier with the Mazder. Does it fry a tire up yet? Time for a 5-speed swap next.

Did you sell the Cavvy yet? You better get going on that Camaro. Wanna work on it this weekend? Wink

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alphius wrote:
Then I would LS swap it and piss some rotards off. Laughing
Hey! I resemble that remark!


Alphius wrote:

Did you sell the Cavvy yet?



Is this why you've been so quiet ? Very Happy Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not fair. Your truck has less rust then my new truck will have in 1 month.
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PostPosted: Mon May 21, 2012 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alphius wrote:
I would buy and drive a RePu in an instant. They are amazing.


They have a fantastic retro look to them, but they suffer from the same problem that plagues every "sport" truck which is that they're not as fun as a true sportscar and not at all useful as a truck.

Alphius wrote:
Does it fry a tire up yet?


Yup yup

But it's been a freakin' monsoon for the past two days so meh.

Alphius wrote:
Time for a 5-speed swap next.


Absolutely!

Alphius wrote:
Did you sell the Cavvy yet?


Yup. GI bought it. Said he had a hopped-up Saturn Redline but traded it on a van for the wife and kids and now he needed a cheap toy. That was a great car but it was not designed for the things I was doing to it.

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You better get going on that Camaro.


Yeah. Or a clown will eat me.

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Wanna work on it this weekend? Wink


Not really, but I might. Gotta do it sometime, right? Laughing

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It's not fair. Your truck has less rust then my new truck will have in 1 month.


And whose fault is that? Razz

Back at it:

Mazda ran the wiper motor wiring through the truck's ECM harness because of course the f***ing did. Mad The blue wires all go to the wipers, the rest were cut and capped with heatshrink:



The ECM's are dimensionally identical but the new one had very different brackets. The brackets on the old unit were welded on and didn't look super reusable so I just laid it in there. The kick panel will hold it. Laughing Surprisingly enough the wiring harness is the perfect length.



All wrapped up. Harness retaped, crankcase vent tube mounted properly in the snorkel, overflow bottle mounted up out of the way.



Poor Banana, just sitting and waiting...



A fitting end to a bad bad piece of equipment. How bad, you ask? Leroy Brown bad. Razz

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

a little non-related, but that mazda yard....if he's got a tailgate handle for a 91-92 Mazda B2200 pickup (not the pot-metal and chrome one, this one is like ABS plastic or some shizzle). my Aunt's truck (which I use for scrap and dump runs quite often) needs one.
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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quasi-Traction wrote:
a little non-related, but that mazda yard....if he's got a tailgate handle for a 91-92 Mazda B2200 pickup (not the pot-metal and chrome one, this one is like ABS plastic or some shizzle). my Aunt's truck (which I use for scrap and dump runs quite often) needs one.


He doesn't do many pickups. He has a B2000 shop truck and a couple of broken down RePu's and that's about it. He's says he's trying not to run a junkyard, but there seem to be a lot of parts cars laying around. Laughing

An update on the EFI business. I have put about 260 miles on it since yesterday afternoon and I have noticed a few things:

1) The added torque down low seems to be raping the poor autotragic to death. It has been randomly holding gears or upshifting too fast, shifting hard, launching in second, and all manor of poor behavior. I am curious if it has been affected by the different vacuum signal from the EFI. Also worth noting is that the ECM was from a manual car. The ECM has no control or feedback from the transmission but I have no idea what changes Mazda made.

2) Idle is acting weird. When the truck is cold it idles around 900~1K in neutral and maybe 6~700 in gear. However once it warms up it idles at 1500 in neutral and 900 in gear. This is also not helping the transmission problem. Razz Could be a vacuum leak somewhere, which might also explain some of the transmission issues.

3) Mileage has gone... down? Got 21mpg all highway on the last tank. Now granted I was on highway 107/101 so it was all hills, plus I was doing ~70 most of the way but still, jeez. Methinks perhaps I should hook up the CEL and see if it's running in limp home mode, eh?! Laughing

Overall I'm still totally stoked about it. I had missed the ability to start it up and actually drive off immediately!
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