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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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Morgan is still making cars (high performance cars, mind you) with wooden framing behind the coachwork.
Wood is much lighter than steel and can be plenty strong if used correctly. The issue is longevity, cost and fire retardation. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:11 am Post subject: |
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I look at this;
and think, "Yaaaaaaaaaayyyy!!" |
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IROCDave Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 957 Location: Snohomish WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Man thats a big job changing colors of paint. A couple of things that came to mind while looking at the pictures, Were the gaps between body panels / doors / hatch etc good? Also might want to paint your final coat around the gas tank fill plastic shroud. That would be a bitch to prep and paint later. You could leave it, but every time you fill up you will know what color the car used to be.... |
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IROCDave Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 957 Location: Snohomish WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, and dont think the poke at GM didnt go unnoticed Maybe Ford should have stuck with wood...
http://www.raptorforumz.com/showthread.php?t=14208
I hadnt heard about this until last night. Adam Carolla mentioned it on the car show. He had a great line about it. The guy from thesmokingtire.com has one and was trying to say that the ten trucks with bent frames all hit something. Adam responded with " yea, they hit reality". |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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| IROCDave wrote: | | Were the gaps between body panels / doors / hatch etc good? |
Not really. But not enough to bother me.
| IROCDave wrote: | | Also might want to paint your final coat around the gas tank fill plastic shroud. That would be a bitch to prep and paint later. You could leave it, but every time you fill up you will know what color the car used to be.... |
It is six screws to remove, and three of them are not even tightened. I will pull it out before I paint.
The whole thing will get bomb-canned or shot cheap with single-stage. As has been mentioned previously I am not an aesthetically picky person. On the contrary I do not want a nice car for fear of ruining it. I built this thing to beat fast cars, not to look pretty and sit still.
| IROCDave wrote: | Oh, and dont think the poke at GM didnt go unnoticed Maybe Ford should have stuck with wood... |
My mind is completely boggled by anyone who expects to buy a factory "performance" vehicle from a mainstream manufacturer. If you buy a new Camaro you need to immediately pull it into the shop and start cutting off the stupid horsecrap the engineers thought it needed.
If you buy a new Ford F-150 and flog it on the trail it will break. It's your fault for expecting engineers who build Ford Tauruses to be able to design a Trophy Truck. They can't do it. It's not their job. It's not what they do.
You need to build it right yourself, pay someone to build it right, or it will be built wrong. It's just that simple.
End of rant, start of building:
Hatch:
All you damn kids laughed at me when I said I wanted a heater-delete hatch. Too rare you all said.
There are three thirdgens apiece at the Tumwater and Lakewood Pick-A joints. Three of them have the heater delete, three do not. One of the heater deletes was smashed, as were two of the heated units. One of the non-heater units was the aforementioned unit with the third brake light. However I found a non-light non-heat hatch on a 1990 Firebird in Tumwater yesterday. John and I went down today to grab it.
We started off by pulling the decklid off of Bananer:
...and dropping it onto John's primer-bombed Berli:
John's rusted hunk of a decklid was turned in at the yard for a core:
Then we went to the yard and pulled my new hatch:
...and installed the decklid I had previously pulled from that '87 Camaro in Lakewood. Hatch installation juice was critical to our success.
...and dropped it onto the car. John obviously approves:
Decided I should probably do something about the yellow/bare steel combo we had going on.
Somehow I think I look like a hairy Mr. Burns in this picture.
That's better (my priming job was much better than John's ):
More to come! |
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popballz Member

Joined: 18 Nov 2007 Posts: 533 Location: Tacoma, WA
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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nice work dude, its coming along well! _________________ -Donald
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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We should point out that we put the yellow deck lid on my car 'cause it is drilled for a spoiler. I could have drilled the holes myself, but my lid was already pretty rusted and this should be plug-n-play!  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
1989 Pontiac GTA
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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@ 'hairy mr burns'!
Glad to see progress. Looking forward to following the build.
-Schultzy |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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Dinner and more beer resulted in installation of additional parts.
Frame braces painted and installed:
Also some other crap I put under the hood while I was in there:
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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5476
1987 Pontiac Formula
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Whats that dinky thing? a motorcycle engine? LOL  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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Pretty much, yeah...
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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Ugh! That dirty engine is befouling your pristine engine bay!!!  |
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fiveoformula Member

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: OR
1988 Pontiac Formula
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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You'll be able to smuggle a family of illegals between the front of the engine and the radiator!  |
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turbo_jimi Member

Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1206 Location: Tacoma
1985 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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That engine looks really cool in there! Is the transmission already hooked up too? I'm looking forward to the overall results. _________________
1985 Z28 Crate 350, Hurst T-5, 3.23s, Flowmaster Under previous set-up: 143.82 rwhp 216.98 lbs. torque @4390 rpms 3/12/11 |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| RSFreak wrote: | Ugh! That dirty engine is befouling your pristine engine bay!!!  |
What? That engine is totally clean. Well fairly clean.
| fiveoformula wrote: | You'll be able to smuggle a family of illegals between the front of the engine and the radiator!  |
Hopefully I'll at least be able to smuggled the hot and cold piping.
| turbo_jimi wrote: | | Is the transmission already hooked up too? |
T5 is not installed in that picture. I am waiting on the clutch and flywheel to arrive. There is an older picture somewhere of the engine and transmission installed in the old chassis. |
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IROCDave Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 957 Location: Snohomish WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I like the non grid / heated hatch glass look. By the time they heat up enough to knock the ice off the coolant temp is already at 180+ degrees anyway. Besides that, who besides Ian drives their 3rd gens in the snow?
BTW, I was just giving you crap about the Raptor. Anyone who plans to go balls out offroading a production vehicle should expect something like this to happen.
Hell, I broke all but one leaf spring on a set of Rancho 4" lift leaf springs on my 74 Blazer going over a speed bump at 40 MPH. I beat the crap out of that thing and the one thing I took away from it was even aftermarket stuff breaks when jumping, power sliding over whoop de does at 50 MPH etc. To much mud = replacing the HEI distributor, carb and to many sever departure angles ripped the factory hitch off the frame. That hard to do on a SWB blazer. If the top was off the doors would pop open when going over whoops.
The frame never bent and stayed bent though. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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| IROCDave wrote: | | I like the non grid / heated hatch glass look. |
Thanks. I am very partial to it. I was surprised by how many I found in the local yards.
| IROCDave wrote: | | Besides that, who besides Ian drives their 3rd gens in the snow? |
I drove my IROC during the big ol' blizzard we had a few years back, but that was because it was the only running vehicle I owned. I have a nice Ford 4x4 for that kind of crappy stuff now.
| IROCDave wrote: | | Anyone who plans to go balls out offroading a production vehicle should expect something like this to happen. |
Exactly. You can't expect the people who built this piece of garbage:
...to be able to build you something that will get you this kind of action:
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rjmcgee The Hammer

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 2328
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:30 pm Post subject: |
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total photochop.  |
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IROCDave Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2010 Posts: 957 Location: Snohomish WA
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| rjmcgee wrote: | total photochop.  |
No wonder the fenders are missing  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Front suspension is back under the car today.
Of course I had an ulterior motive for that; I needed my jackstands.
Rear dropped
Ran into a bit of trouble though. Gonna have to hunt down a new set of rears:
Fronts coming off:
Then I got sidetracked by a new toy:
Hmm...
Sweet!
Anybody need anything at the Tumwater yard? I'll probably be down there at some point this weekend buying goddamned springs.  |
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