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jchaussee
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also how do I go about choosing lifters for my cam. I am wanting to rebuild bottom end also but with time running out and funds not here yet I may not be able to.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

to me thats a BIG cam for basiccally stock motor...

u make sure ur springs can handle that lift...

a lifter is a lifter-flat ot rollor -just buy new-

as far as carbs go----go to any track and compare the number of q-jets to holly/holly clone type carbs....~95% will be holley...
holly compared to q-jets are MUCH eaiser to tune and parts are more availible......both will work IF tuned properly...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My springs accordIg to the shop can handle the lift. The reason IvHasked about lifters is because delta wanted to sell me a set for 480 which seems alot more then what ivsee online. And I have been debatinf a hollet for a long time, but I hear that they need to be messed with quite abit
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wow thats alot for flat tappet lifters---get a set from summit much cheaper. u are going hyd. correct?

what rocker arms and ratio are u going to use?

the new style hollys are way easier to tune ie..change jets and metering rod etc. without taking the complete carb apart everytime....
have u looked at the bottom side of each carb? its very hard to get a smooth transtion to the secondarys of the qjet cause of the size difference..all depends on what u are shooting for.....
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 1:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A QJet set up right is great for a driver. A Holley set up right is great for a literal drag car, not something you call a "drag" car but drive on the street 99% of the time. I'd take a well tuned QJet over a well tuned Holley any day for any of my cars.

Actually, that's a lie, I'd rather have fuel injection. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will agree with that.."well tuned"
however-which is easier to tune? holly wins here.....
anyway FI is the only way to go- no more carbs here...
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New cam = new lifters.

I wouldn't build another flat tappet motor without at LEAST getting a set of Lunati lifters with the offset EDM oiling hole.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes hydrolic. I dont know what kind of rocker arms or ratio yet . I tend to overalalyse everything. I want to have as well matched of a motor as I can. I havent brought block to machine shop yet. So I dont know if I am going to go with a new bottom end or nit. I have been looking at pistons, but have not learned how to pick the best type for my buikd yet.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/pts/3893112962.html
woukd these worj
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let the machine shop spec the pistons. You don't know if those will work until you know more about your engine.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrMike98 wrote:
go to any track and compare the number of q-jets to holly/holly clone type carbs


Yup yup Yup yup Yup yup

I have never seen any Carter or Carter-based carb (i.e. Edelbrock) that wasn't a piece of crap.

I've had several daily drivers with Holley carbs and I don't understand all the crying about how "hard" they are. Once I got my head around carb tuning I couldn't have been happier with them.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather have a QJet but that's probably because I know how to get them to behave properly and cold weather starting/driveability and fuel economy are second to none. Most I've ever done on a Holley is change the powervalve spring or some such nonsense. Laughing

The 4160 on Mom's '71 Chevelle runs pretty good, though economy leaves something to be desired.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:


Veesix is way easier, you can do it with the hood on. Not actually pulling in this shot, just replacing the oil pan:


Indeed the V6 is "easier" unless you're pushing it down a rocky alley on a cold January night! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alphius wrote:

The 4160 on Mom's '71 Chevelle runs pretty good, though economy leaves something to be desired.


That is the one thing, I have to say makes a Quadrajet superior to a well-tuned holley, you'll almost always get a couple more MPG out of the Q-jet. And also with a heavier car/automatic, I'd go with the Q-jet over a holley.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1987_sportcoupe wrote:
unless you're pushing it down a rocky alley on a cold January night! Laughing


Factual! LMAO

Quasi-Traction wrote:
always get a couple more MPG out of the Q-jet.


Got high teens city and mid-20's highway in my S10 with a 4160.

Quasi-Traction wrote:
And also with a heavier car/automatic, I'd go with the Q-jet over a holley.


Got 13-14 highway in the Mercury with a de-plated 4160. Cruising at 2800 with the big block. 3.50 gears, no converter lockup and no overdrive. Cool

Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against the Quadrabog, but there is no good excuse for getting poor economy with a Holley.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure there is. More power more fun heavier foot.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Got high teens city and mid-20's highway in my S10 with a 4160.

Got 13-14 highway in the Mercury with a de-plated 4160. Cruising at 2800 with the big block. 3.50 gears, no converter lockup and no overdrive. Cool

Don't get me wrong, I got nothing against the Quadrabog, but there is no good excuse for getting poor economy with a Holley.


Coulda done better with a Qjet... Cool

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
Sure there is. More power more fun heavier foot.


You'll notice I didn't mention what kind of light-to-light economy I saw with that 390!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So I have got nowhere so far with this build. Heads still in shop. Finances have gotten in the way. Really bums me out because it is just sittimf there with nothing done.
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