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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 6:36 am Post subject: wilwood prop valve? |
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I was wondering if anyone here has used the wilwood proportioning valve 260-11179? Thinking of putting one on the camaro as well as the jimmy.
camaro, biggest issue is I know the lines are metric, this is SAE. Use adapters, or make my own lines and have one end sae, other metric?
jimmy. This valve is 2 in, 3 out. jimmy just has 2 in, 2 out. Can I plug one line off? _________________ 2008 GMC Z71
1991 Camaro RS Vert
1972 Jimmy 4x4
20ft Longhorn Car Hauler
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:49 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like the jimmy might T the front lines off after the prop valve somewhere? _________________
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:50 am Post subject: |
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yes it does. So I'm wondering if I can plug one of the front holes on that valve? |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: |
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I don't see why not. Might be cleaner to get rid of the factory T and just use this prop valve as one though? _________________
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:35 am Post subject: |
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thought about it. But that t is hidden down in the frame. Then that would be more lines I would have to bend/create. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, if you're not going to re-plumb the rest of the front just cap off the extra front port. That doesn't affect the low pressure warning light, right?
For the thirdgen, I used the cheap ~$30 wilwood single in/single out prop valve, a late 4thgen MC with low fluid indicator built into the reservoir, and a T for the front seeing 100% MC pressure. But this seems to simplify plumbing a bit, and I'm cheap. _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Why spend twice as much just to plug ports? You only need the valve for the rears anyway. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:08 am Post subject: |
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aaron_sK wrote: | Why spend twice as much just to plug ports? You only need the valve for the rears anyway. |
The warning switch? I ran without one for YEARS but if anyone else ever plans on driving the vehicles it's a good idea to keep a malfunction indicator. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:24 am Post subject: |
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Warning switch in MC. Problem solved. |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:28 am Post subject: |
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does the 4th gen mc have the warning light in it? |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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LS cars have the warning switch in the MC reservoir. Plus the reservoir looks a ton better than a thirdgen version. |
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Al Hasse Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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I bought the connector to fit mine, spliced it to the current harness and tied the stock connector off, works great. _________________ 92 Camaro
89 Camaro
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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iansane wrote: | LS cars have the warning switch in the MC reservoir. Plus the reservoir looks a ton better than a thirdgen version. |
I think it also has a bigger piston too? |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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IIRC, the thirdgen used a stepped MC. 1" main and 15/16" second? And the LS MC uses a solid 1" version. |
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nonsensekid20 Member
Joined: 30 Sep 2010 Posts: 490
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:57 am Post subject: |
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Luke just used the Summit Racing Prop valve. Bought connectors from a brake line shop in Tacoma and installed it. Works great and he hasn't had any troubles with it.
Edit: IIRC this is the one he used. http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-g3905/overview/ |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 10:19 am Post subject: |
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I used the Summit one too, it is a rebadged Wilwood and has worked great for me for years. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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BluFbdy Member
Joined: 16 Jul 2010 Posts: 915 Location: Port Orchard WA
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:31 am Post subject: |
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We had to do a few runs for adapters and I believe we just left the fronts alone in the factory block, word to the wise use a quality tubing cutter (I personally broke the first one) and a flare kit in good shape, we just got the proper fittings for the valve in tacoma and then cut off the old ones popped the new ones on and flared the lines, the first flare kit was a rental and didn't grab the tubing well at all which made for some really jacked up flares at first
It's pretty easy once you have the right fittings and tools, it came with a couple fittings but Idk if we used them or not _________________ If you expect a kick to the balls and get a slap to the face its still a victory
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:28 am Post subject: |
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It looked like alot of the fittings for jimmy atleast, I cant find on summit. Looks like it will be easier to cut and reflair the lines with propper fitting on it.
Havent looked at the camaro yet, it will be soon as jimmy can drive. |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:13 am Post subject: |
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91RSVert wrote: | Looks like it will be easier to cut and reflair the lines with propper fitting on it. |
This. Not only does it look better to chop and reflair with the correct fitting but less chances for leaks. Heck, O'Reillys sells tube nuts in the correct sizes.
IIRC, you'd need one adapter per side to go from the prop valve's pipe fitting to a proper flared fitting? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:18 am Post subject: |
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You are looking at a prop valve with five fittings on it and saying "I need to replace it with one that has five" but you don't. The factory valve is a shuttle-type where pressure is balanced between front and rear.
What most of us are doing is running full flow to the front and running a restrictor-type valve that just limits the rear. That reduces the work you have to do on the lines as the fronts are merely tee'd.
iansane wrote: | IIRC, you'd need one adapter per side to go from the prop valve's pipe fitting to a proper flared fitting? |
Most of those valves have 1/8" NPT fittings. My Wilwood valve came with a package of adapters for various flared sizes to 1/8" inch pipe and I bought a few more at the local Baxter's. |
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