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iansane Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:48 pm Post subject: Mmm.... greeeeen... |
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42s and the intercooler is on the way. _________________
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yup. Got a great deal on them and they'll be okay for my goals...
For right now... |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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iansane wrote: | Yup. Got a great deal on them and they'll be okay for my goals...
For right now... |
I see. Nice. Deals are always the way to go. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:07 am Post subject: |
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2psi? _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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iansane Member
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:37 am Post subject: |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:42 am Post subject: |
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With injectors that small I figured 2psi was a safe bet on your goal! _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:47 am Post subject: |
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When factory injectors are only 28s and not close to maxed out, I think this is a good start. Besides, I can always upgrade later.
Why you gotta be crapping on my dreams, man!? |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:55 am Post subject: |
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Cause I was running 30lb ford injectors (rated at a lower pressure) at 48psi and was at about 95% duty cycle for 330hp. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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These are fords as well. LS car typically run around 58-60psi though... |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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So maybe 400hp. LOL so 2PSI? LOL _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Twilightoptics wrote: | Cause I was running 30lb ford injectors (rated at a lower pressure) at 48psi and was at about 95% duty cycle for 330hp. |
Something up man.
I have Ford SVO Reds at 30lb and I run 'em at 43psi and made 280RWHP at about 65% DC.
Quick calculation indicated that 95% DC on 30lb injectors at 43.5 psi should yield 440crank HP. Same injectors on 48psi should yield 460. And that's being conservative on BSFC.
Ian's 42s at 58psi should flow 48.5 and be good for 540 crank at about 90% DC on a turbocharged engine with high BSFC. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Alphius wrote: | Twilightoptics wrote: | Cause I was running 30lb ford injectors (rated at a lower pressure) at 48psi and was at about 95% duty cycle for 330hp. |
Something up man.
I have Ford SVO Reds at 30lb and I run 'em at 43psi and made 280RWHP at about 65% DC.
Quick calculation indicated that 95% DC on 30lb injectors at 43.5 psi should yield 440crank HP. Same injectors on 48psi should yield 460. And that's being conservative on BSFC.
Ian's 42s at 58psi should flow 48.5 and be good for 540 crank at about 90% DC on a turbocharged engine with high BSFC. |
Remember my old sig quote? Engine's don't read books.
Math is good and good for theory, but it's nevery 100% when put into practice. You can't take into account all variables. Dyno operator. Specific drivetrade loss. Camshaft resulting VE.
C'mon now. I know I'm exaggerating with Ian and flicking him crap. My duty was probably closer to 80-85%. I remember exceeding 100% when it was the stock pump lol.
And I bet I was over 400crank HP. Yall really don't understand how much power a 9" really takes to run. There is a reason no rotary guy will touch them, even though they have the power warranting that strength.
Couple that with a thirsty Harold Brookshire Cam, a Moly driveline, heavy SFI balancer, Heavy SFI flywheel, SFI clutch and a T56 (yes it has more loss than a T5.) and things add up quickly. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I know you are right Paul, your numbers just needed a little explanation I think. Everything you were running does take lots of power, and engines don't read books. 95% at 330RWHP just seemed a little unrealistic without the additional qualifications. I was flipping Ian crap too.
Fact of the matter is, despite all we're saying, he'll probly be able to run close to or more than 400RWHP with those 42s. Which is nothing to sneeze at. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thats assuming he isn't running a raising rate fuel pressure regulator. If the fuel pressure is raised at a greater to 1:1 ratio to the boost pressure, then he has the potential for more power.
Of course...if he isn't boost referencing the fuel-pressure, then his injector size will actually go down once boost is introduced since the fuel pressure will have to overcome the air-pressure. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Rising rate is a must, but I don't know about running 75+ PSI on those injectors.....
So yeah, bigger injector to start, to overcome the pressure difference. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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blue89 Member
Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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Have you guys seen the rising voltage fuel pump controller? Takes a manifold reading and accomplishes the same thing as a regulator by increasing the voltage to the pump to increase the pressure. Pretty slick and stealth. _________________ E30
86 RS - 7.4L V8 SOLD
89 RS - 3.25L V6 REMOVED
89 RS - 5.7L LT1 SOLD
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam
Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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That sounds like it may be hard on the fuel pump, overclocking it like that. Sounds like a pretty cool way to boost fuel pressure if your pump can handle it.
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iansane Member
Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5740 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:32 pm Post subject: |
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blue89 wrote: | Have you guys seen the rising voltage fuel pump controller? Takes a manifold reading and accomplishes the same thing as a regulator by increasing the voltage to the pump to increase the pressure. Pretty slick and stealth. |
Is that like the oldschool kennebell boost-a-pump I always see on mudstains? Interesting...
Twilightoptics wrote: | Rising rate is a must, but I don't know about running 75+ PSI on those injectors..... |
I'd have to redesign the front half of the fuel system for that. I'm still using the corvette filter/reg and deadhead setup. Although I'm definitely not against ditching it, I'll see what happens with a 2bar map sensor and a boost friendly tune(probably get rid of the maf at the same time...)
Twilightoptics wrote: | So maybe 400hp. LOL so 2PSI? LOL |
Take your rotard and go home, I don't like what you're saying! _________________
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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Variable resistor fuel pump relays have been out since the 80's. They are unreliable, and the slightest bit of corrosion or bad connection and suddenly you're lean.
Bad idea. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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