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What the heck kind of mirrors are these?

 
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: What the heck kind of mirrors are these? Reply with quote

In another silly weight reduction and automotive simplification project I decided I wanted to do true manual mirrors on my car.

I hate power mirrors because they are heavy, and always break. I also hate the silly cable-driven joystick mirrors because they are stupid and the joystick is ugly and and I always bump it with my knee and the cables always jam and break.

I figure I drive with the window down in all weather anyhow, so having a true manual mirror is fine with me. I tried swapping a manual passenger assembly into a driver's shell, but that failed due to GM using riveted spring steel, and then gluing the glass over the rivets. Rolling Eyes

So today at the junkyard I was shocked to find these (mirror off of the Banana used for comparison):


They are the same frontal dimensions as the normal mirrors, and they use the same glass, but the shell is flat on the back:


Same bolt pattern:


They have LH and RH respectively stamped on them, as well as a GM-looking part number, which is making me think that they are not aftermarket. The3y use a different plastic seal than the normal unit, but the same holes. They are bevel to fit perfectly on thirdgen doors. They are both true manual units (spring and a pivot ball inside both units).

They came off of an '82-'84 Bird that was super-duper base model. Like we're talking 'Duke and Saginaw hardtop with no A/C basemodel here. Laughing

I threw one of them on for the heck of it, and I don't think they look half bad. As a cool bonus they are a bit lighter as well. Very Happy


I have never seen anything like these before at all. I tried searching for pics of early 'Birds on Google and TGO but all I can find are Trans Am cars, which all seem to have the areo mirrors. Was this some crazy first-year base-model option?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never seen those before but I think they are ugly, exactly how much weight did you save with these anyway? I can't imagine it being enough to justify having to look at those.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weight savings was negligible. Wink

When I first saw them I thought they were ugly, but they grew on me fast. I love unique crazy stuff like this, and they have the exact inner mechanicals I want.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are those the "Flag" mirrors other countries got? Europe requires them so you can fold your mirrors in when you park. Otherwise the streets are so narrow people break them off driving by.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are not the Euro or "GTA" mirrors. Those were power, they were higher, and these do not break away (solid casting).

The mystery, however, is solved!

http://www.earlythirdgen.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=35

The remote driver mirror was apparently not the base option, there was one below that, and these are it.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be extremly concerned of the lack of aerodynamics Surprised
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oooglay. That's what those are.

Hanging on the shop wall so you can tell stories about? Yes, ultra cool. Putting on your car so you can explain them to everyone? Not so much...

We know you like odd but at least choose odd that flows with the lines of the car. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contrary to these chuckleheads, I love them. They give it a very 80's look, and that is a sweet find. Cleaned up, I think they'll look spectacular especially considering the rest of the visual effect you are going for with the car. If you find another pair, grab 'em for me! Smile

Aerodynamic efficiency difference is probably negligible. Especially if most of your driving is sub-140mph. Razz And if those mirrors are your biggest aero concern, there's a whole hell of a lot to worry about first. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they're cool and will add to the "uniqueness" of your car.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Add me to the chucklehead pile. Glad to see project progress though.

-Schultzy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF?! those remind me of the mirrors on my mom's old 85 escort... Not good.

But what do i know, i'm the crazy dude with an LT1. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I vote no.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a set of 2" peep mirrors that would be better then those...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Schultzy89GTA wrote:
Glad to see project progress though.

-Schultzy


By my calculations I still have a little less than two years left, Mike! Laughing so hard it hurts

All your guys' opinions are duly noted. If I ever get sick of them I can easily swap back since every single other thirdgen on the planet has the usual style.

I think it will work better once the car get some paint on it. I am going gloss black body with flat black headlight buckets and mirrors.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Schultzy89GTA wrote:
Glad to see project progress though.

-Schultzy


By my calculations I still have a little less than two years left, Mike! Laughing so hard it hurts

All your guys' opinions are duly noted. If I ever get sick of them I can easily swap back since every single other thirdgen on the planet has the usual style.

I think it will work better once the car get some paint on it. I am going gloss black body with flat black headlight buckets and mirrors.


Rustoleum? Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dunno, I've been painting a lot of crap lately. I'm debating buying a HPLV and a dryer. Might be time to retire the Rustoleum cans. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh you're high class! Can's? I was thinking roller!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too much sanding for me. I hate sanding. Thumbs down
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 11, 2011 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very Happy Now thats something I can agree with! Sanding.. not much worse then sanding.
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