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3rd gen T-400 swap in: pointers?

 
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Kage87Z
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:41 pm    Post subject: 3rd gen T-400 swap in: pointers? Reply with quote

Maybe my search skilz suck, but I can't find much on a 700R4 to Turbo 400 swap.

I'm detuning the 69 (want it to be more of a cruiser) and strengthening the drivetrain in the 87 (It's going to be race only) so I'm looking at doing a swap.

Step one is to get the T400 into the 87.

Anyone round here done this swap? if so, could you PM me so i could pick your brain?

Much appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unbolt 7004r. Remove dipstick tube. Remove TV cable. ETC.

Install th400.

Buy this : On sale: gives you crossmember, better torque arm, safety loop.

http://www.spohn.net/shop/1982-1992-GM-F-Body/Suspension/Torque-Arms/Standard-Duty-Crossmember-Mounted-Torque-Arms/Tubular-Adjustable-Torque-Arm-TH400-Transmission.html


Install vacuum line for the TH400 to manifold Vacuum.

Buy B&M megashifter and install.

You'll need a custom driveline with the larger th400 32 spline yoke.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also gotta figure out the electronic kickdown in the 400, right?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's vacuum pod related. Not electric. Unless there's some later th400 that I don't know of.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew someone around here would have the info... thanks, TW!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part throttle shifts are controlled by the vacuum modulator. Aaron is right the kickdown is an electric switch. Older cars had it carb mounted, but most of the newer ones were on the gas pedal assembly.

If its too hard to rig something, just shift it down manually. Won't hurt anything. I've also heard about people using a toggle switch.. especially when using a th400 in a autocross. That way you flip the switch and it goes down a gear.. flip it back and it upshifts.. Almost a poor mans paddle shifter.

All th400s had the electric kickdown, some early ones actually had a 2 speed stall convertor(switch pitch) that was electric as well. There may be some 70s era transmissions with tcs(transmission controlled spark) plug ins on them too. It basically cut out the vac advance for all but high gear.

Myself.. i'd just forget the kickdown.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I remembered the TH400 in my old 67 pickup kicked down and it definitely didn't have an electric anything.

Bad memory I guess, might not have downshifted....

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On your 67 the kickdown switch would have been actually mounted on the carberator at the factory.
http://67-72chevytrucks.com/vboard/attachment.php?attachmentid=509097&stc=1&d=1256891013
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
might not have downshifted....


I don't know how the carb-mounted ones were, but my Dad had a Chevy truck with the pedal-mounted style, and it was crappier than crap. Thing never ever did downshift properly. Probably still doesn't (sold the truck like that). Razz

Brandon, wasn't Switch-Pitch just a Buick thing? Or did other cars get the SP400 as well?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think olds had switch pitch too.
My 74 firebird has the pedal mounted kickdown. The switch itself is junk. Never know whether it will actually work or not.
On a 3d gen swap i"d just ignore the kickdown switch. Easy enough to ratchet down a gear when you pass.. if you even need to.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2010 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gotta say.. I think this is the first mistake i've caught Paul on in a long time. Think he may be up to Master P status, and not just Hardcore. Laughing (it's probably just cause we're dealing with antiques here) Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least I can admit I don't fully remember. I just remember that Qjet had no wiring. I had it off a few times!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's so much i've forgotten people dont believe me when I tell them. Oh well. I can always just look it up or figure it out again. Makes every day new. LOL

Entirely possible after 40 years that the wiring would disappear. Was that the original Q .. I know you put a motor in the truck.. Some reason I was thinking it was a 6banger originally.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got it, it was 3 on the tree, 283 with a flat cam, TH400 with a Qjet. God knows who did what. Ended up having the carb rebuilt and put my '85 camaro 305 in it.
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