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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:25 pm Post subject: Oil Sending Unit |
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So half decent weather, went to tinker on the car. I see part of my oil leak is the ever common oil sending unit leak.
Has anyone come up with a better solution? Made from solid metal or something? _________________ 2008 GMC Z71
1991 Camaro RS Vert
1972 Jimmy 4x4
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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5476
1987 Pontiac Formula
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Whats leaking? Usually its the sender itself. Not much to do but replace it. I think some have converted to a different style unit. Tony did I think. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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i have an 88 350 that had the sender that is up by the dizzy, i converted to the 89+ 3 wire unit that goes down by the filter. cut the three wire harness off a 92 in the junkyard and ran the brown wire down to it and spliced. the sender works now, which was my goal. you can then block it off, but i just left the old sensor in place. it did not leak, just did not work.
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fiveoformula Member

Joined: 08 Aug 2007 Posts: 1799 Location: OR
1988 Pontiac Formula
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Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Thats wierd, I have both Sensors... on the china wall and down by the filter. Is that normal? |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| fiveoformula wrote: | | Thats wierd, I have both Sensors... on the china wall and down by the filter. Is that normal? |
The Short Answer
Yes.
The Long Answer
Yes, but they are not both sensors..
The one by the filter in 88 and before is an oil pressure switch, with two wires. This is the device that will force the fuel pump on when the fuel pump relay dies. If you ever have a car that when you turn the key, the pump does not prime, and it takes 15+ seconds of turning but will start... that is this oil pressure switch. The oil pressure switch does NOT kill the fuel pump if pressure is lost as some people think.
In 1989 someone at GM had the brilliant idea of de-complicating things a little and combining the china wall sensor and the pressure switch, since they measure the same thing. The new oil pressure switch/gauge sending unit has three wires, and the china wall sensor is eliminated in this year.
so it is normal for your pre 89 model year car to have both a china wall oil pressure sending unit, and a lower block oil pressure switch. _________________ 86' firebird (Junked in 2015). 88' GTA (sold in 2020).
| aaron_sK wrote: | | Hell, Tony drove his GTA to Cows a few years back with the pickup coil that came out in pieces. |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| Mine is the one down by the oil filter. And yes, the body is leaking. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 8:44 am Post subject: |
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The pressure sender leaking is god telling you to buy Autometer gauges.
But seriously, I took mine out when I put in the Autometers and it was bone dry. Ran the Autometer sender for a couple of years, then took the gauges back out of the car, and plugged it. Then put them back in before I sold it. Never had a single leak from anything the entire time.
Maybe I was just lucky.  |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2010 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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I had picked one up from Schmucks when I worked there to replace my factory one (old one never leaked, just pegged the gauge). It's not Delco, it's Niehoff brand (store brand before they were bought by O'Reillys). You're welcome to have it, just pay shipping. _________________
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Mon Feb 22, 2010 10:23 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks Ian, but if its the same style/design, I'll just pick a new one up here. Cost isnt that much. I looking to see if someone knew of a different design. |
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DBL_TKE Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 1505 Location: Aloha, OR
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: |
If you ever have a car that when you turn the key, the pump does not prime, and it takes 15+ seconds of turning but will start... that is this oil pressure switch. |
You've all but fixed my cold start issue that I've been chasing for months, thank you. _________________ Richmond 3.73 posi| 36/24 sway bars | SLP LM2 | Koni's | Ground Control 800/200 | Y2K wheels | Dyno Don headers & Y-pipe | airfoil | BBK underdrive pulleys | Raised strut mounts | Extended ball joints | LCARB'S
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:41 am Post subject: |
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glad i could help. _________________ 86' firebird (Junked in 2015). 88' GTA (sold in 2020).
| aaron_sK wrote: | | Hell, Tony drove his GTA to Cows a few years back with the pickup coil that came out in pieces. |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:17 am Post subject: |
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Bringing this back to the top as the leak is getting REAL bad and I still hadnt found a solution.
After reading this a few times, some TGO threads, and some google searching I'm going to do part of the pre88 setup and just run the metal sending unit.
From my readings, the switch part really doesnt do anything? Or I could run a jumper from one wire to the other?
Does anyone know which wire is the cluster signal wire? |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| 91RSVert wrote: | Bringing this back to the top as the leak is getting REAL bad and I still hadnt found a solution.
After reading this a few times, some TGO threads, and some google searching I'm going to do part of the pre88 setup and just run the metal sending unit.
From my readings, the switch part really doesnt do anything? Or I could run a jumper from one wire to the other?
Does anyone know which wire is the cluster signal wire? |
The fuel pump wire? You don't really need to do anything with it. It's just a fail-safe for the FP relay. You can trim the wire back/tuck it into the harness and you'll have no ill effects unless your relay goes out. |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Of the 3, I know 2 are fuel pump. But which ones? Easily traced with ohm meter to FPR? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| 91RSVert wrote: | | Of the 3, I know 2 are fuel pump. But which ones? Easily traced with ohm meter to FPR? |
Buh? Wires at the FPR?
You're putting to much thought into this. Go to the junkyard, find a V8 thirdgen with gauges (not lights) in it, snake the sender off of the China wall, done. |
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | | I had picked one up from Schmucks when I worked there to replace my factory one (old one never leaked, just pegged the gauge). It's not Delco, it's Niehoff brand (store brand before they were bought by O'Reillys). You're welcome to have it, just pay shipping. |
Is that the one that should have been in the 305 I got from you?!?!  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Thu Aug 19, 2010 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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From alldata; 91 Camro 5.7
Orange is B+
Tan is to "indicator"
Gray intercepts the fuel pump signal from the ecm
| RSFreak wrote: | Is that the one that should have been in the 305 I got from you?!?!  |
Well, technically yes. I don't know where the ACTUAL one from my 305 went though. This was a new one I had chillen in the garage somewhere. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 4:05 am Post subject: |
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FPR Fuel pump relay. Wasnt even thinking about regulator when I typed that, ops. The junkyards here rarely have these cars anymore. So by the time I pay entry fee(yes that is correct), find the part, get it off. For about 5 bux more I can go get a new one which I would rather have. I dont see how I'm looking into this to much. Just needed to know which of the 3 wires I need to hook up to?
So tan is to the dash, got it.
In twilights pic. I want to replace the 3wire gray n metal thing. With the single wire gold one. And jump the orange and gray if needed. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:56 am Post subject: |
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Don't jump it. Otherwise your fuel pump will never turn off.  |
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