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will 12v straight to the starter break it?

 
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:03 pm    Post subject: will 12v straight to the starter break it? Reply with quote

well that is my question "will 12v straight to the starter break it?"
(a few minutes before this, schucks tested it and it worked)
its like a 1995 ford explorer

after the starter relay stopped working, I put the new one in its place, and it did not work, there was already wires to another one(??) so I put it over there..., starter relays wiring is all messed up.

I halfway used the wires for another starter relay that was in there (??) and halfway ran my own wires (12v, ignition switch wire, wire to starter solenoid) and I got the starter to spin out of the car. (12v and ground straight from the battery, and wire from starter relay)

so I put it back in....and took it right back out, now the solenoid pops the starter gear out, but it does not spin, did I blow up the starter motor?

any help would be greatly appreciated Very Happy

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope that wouldn't have caused it not to work, you can hook a battery up to it no problem as a test.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fiveoformula wrote:
Nope that wouldn't have caused it not to work, you can hook a battery up to it no problem as a test.


Ok, that is what I thought
Could I have shorted it out by touching the positive on both connections??

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How do you think Schmucks tests starters? Laughing

Heck, what type of voltage do you think the starter sees from the solenoid every time you turn they key.

Pull the starter back out and test it again. If it works, then your solenoid is bad, or the starter wire has too much resistance. If it doesn't then you're out the cash, and lesson learned.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
If it doesn't then you're out the cash, and lesson learned.


you mean the lesson that Fords suck and Third-gens are the way to go?!?! haha Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several Crew members here who have swapped to a remote, Ford-style starter solenoid. They are far superior to the Chevy design. Almost no chance for exhaust heat-soaking causing no-start issues.

Makes up for the TFI module heatsoaking causing no-start issues. Laughing so hard it hurts
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dont pull it out again.

Verify you've got 12v on the heavy lead.

Then have someone turn the key to start and make sure you've got 12v on the smaller purple lead with key in "start" position.

If you have proper power, starter is bad.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
There are several Crew members here who have swapped to a remote, Ford-style starter solenoid. They are far superior to the Chevy design. Almost no chance for exhaust heat-soaking causing no-start issues.

Makes up for the TFI module heatsoaking causing no-start issues. Laughing so hard it hurts

my last post was a complete joke BTW Thumbs up

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Dont pull it out again.

Verify you've got 12v on the heavy lead.

Then have someone turn the key to start and make sure you've got 12v on the smaller purple lead with key in "start" position.

If you have proper power, starter is bad.


So I am pretty sure that the starter is now bad, I think it was almost dead before or I shorted it out somehow. what you said is the first thing I checked Wink but I found my future brother-in-law a cheap starter on the internet, so he should be happy.

thanks for the help Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turns out it was the main 12v line that had 12v but didn't have 12v at the same time!!
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