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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:37 pm Post subject: Look what the exhaust fairy brought me! |
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Yup, headers for my T/A!!! They are Flowtechs from Summit and I got the Y pipe too! All-in-all I am happy with their quality except for the oxygen sensor port. The bung was there, but we had to drill the hole for the sensor. TJ and I had little trouble installing them. I'm totally stoked! My Trans Am is one step closer to being done!!!
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 _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
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dlp Member
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 374 Location: Bothell, Wa
1990 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Man, it looks like the collector dumps onto the front engine cradle? The Y pipe must have a drastic bend to it. |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam

Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Nice John! glad its coming along!
~JAKE _________________ 1983 Z-28 5.7 LT1, T56, Headman headers, BW 9 Bolt Posi Disc, WS6 suspension
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Nice, John. Looks like the local guys are finally getting some work done. Now I'm starting to look bad.
Lots of people dump on the FlowTechs for being the made-in-China Schmucks brand, but I ran them on my IROC for years without any major problems. There are a couple of things I found:
The flange material is fairly thin, and will warp. If you run them with an exhaust leak (like I did) they will warp further. RemFlex gaskets seem to take care of that pretty quick though.
The welds on the collector, especially inside the collector, tend to fail. So if all your gaskets are good, but you still have a leak, take a look down there. Takes two seconds to reweld it though.
I don't know if they changed the Y-pipe design, but mine was similar to stock in that it was less of a Y-pipe, and more of a T-pipe, which screws up flow. |
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Schultzy89GTA M.R.A. (11sec Club)

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 4417 Location: Gresham, OR
1989 Pontiac GTA
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:53 am Post subject: |
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Good deal John. I saw your comment on T/A in the other thread and realized I must have missed something.... like you having a T/A
What are the plans for this one?
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| Schultzy89GTA wrote: | Good deal John. I saw your comment on T/A in the other thread and realized I must have missed something.... like you having a T/A
What are the plans for this one?
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Yeah, I picked up an '86 Trans Am last year for $900. Didn't have an engine but came with lots of extra parts. The interior is close to perfect and it has a newly rebuilt 700R4. I now have Ian's former 305 with the LT1 cam in it as well. Can't wait to get her on the road!  _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
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QwkTrip 11sec Club

Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, headers! The performance quest madness begins!  |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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Flowtech has come a long way in their quality. Starting to surpass Hedman I think.
They look good as far as design. How's plug access? Hookers are decent, Hedmans rock, always heard Edelbrocks suck. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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Al Hasse Member

Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | | always heard Edelbrocks suck. |
Number 8 is a b***h to get to, the tube makes its bend right over the plug. _________________ 92 Camaro
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | Flowtech has come a long way in their quality. Starting to surpass Hedman I think.
They look good as far as design. How's plug access? Hookers are decent, Hedmans rock, always heard Edelbrocks suck. |
Numbers 6 and 8 are a b!tch to access. Pretty much gotta reach 'em from under the car. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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Best trick I've found is to grind down a spark plug socket till it's as short as can be and still grab the hex. Then use the 3/4" box wrench to turn it. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Sweeeeeeeet. It'll be cool to see that motor running again. Did you guys do the valve seals yet?
FYI, I'd second the remflex gaskets. _________________
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Felpro makes pretty decent gaskets now too. Cheaper than the rem iirc. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the rems were only 10-15? Aaron, what did Randy charge you last time? |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | | Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the rems were only 10-15? Aaron, what did Randy charge you last time? |
I got quoted like $35 for a set of those? Maybe I have to research again! _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | | Maybe I'm wrong but I thought the rems were only 10-15? Aaron, what did Randy charge you last time? |
$17 for Small Chebbie, $35 for big Furd, or somewhere along those lines. That's with the CC discount though. Retail they're about 40% more than that.
| Twilightoptics wrote: | | Best trick I've found is to grind down a spark plug socket till it's as short as can be and still grab the hex. Then use the 3/4" box wrench to turn it. |
+1, that trick has saved me a couple of times. On my Flowtechs you could snag all the plugs with a normal (not ground) socket, but you had to use the 3/4" wrench trick on about three of them. |
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RSFreak The other "John"

Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| iansane wrote: | Sweeeeeeeet. It'll be cool to see that motor running again. Did you guys do the valve seals yet? |
Not yet and I forgot to get those valve spring from you. BTW, found something interesting when we were getting ready to put the intake on. I just happened to look down one of the intake ports on the passenger side head, don't know why, and saw what looked like a 1" long bolt just chilling down there. I stuck a telescoping magnet in and sure enough pulled out a loose bolt! Whatcha trying to do to me man?!  |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yikes!! Good thing you found that!
Tony and I tried doing the same thing to Al when we were helping out with his v6 swap awhile ago.
| aaron_sK wrote: | | $17 for Small Chebbie, $35 for big Furd, or somewhere along those lines. That's with the CC discount though. Retail they're about 40% more than that. |
Ah yes, of course I forgot about the CC discount. I think I'm going to try stocking a small line of the remflex stuff. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you usually keep at least the SBC and 3" flange in stock? |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
1991 Pontiac Trans Am
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Posted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Not since Titus-Will took over. Bruce Titus took out all the aftermarket stuff and now I've got to reorder it all. |
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