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BigBoi4Lyph · Last edited by BigBoi4Lyph on Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:01 pm; edited 1 time in total

So what does it mean when your bellhousing area makes a very loud pop when pushing in the clutch.

it did this a couple times trough trying to bleed it. and now the clutch fork seems to be fully engauged without any pressure.

it sits where it sould with the clutch pedal pushed down all the way.

i have a weird feeling that might have been the pressure plate like maybe snapping?

not good. need some help. so close and then this.

pilot was installed. clutch release bering was installed properly. transmission went in fine.

could it possibly be the carb flywheel it cant be really?

Twilightoptics · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:42 am Post subject:

Pops usually mean something isn't tight.

91RSVert · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:55 am Post subject:

I had my fork pop off the pivot ball.

I also had the inside guts of the hyrdo ram explode. It made a bad pop sound.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:05 am Post subject:

thanks for the infor im going to go get under it right now.

any more info or things to look for would be great i know its not the slave that poped becuse it popped several times.

from rembering where the fork was last night i have a feeling its the fork.

i probably have the yank the trany and bell housing huh?

91RSVert · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:10 am Post subject:

True, if the slave went, it would leak fluid to. But that was a much louder pop then you would think!

Yes, I had to pull the trans to see that the for slipped. When I fixed the fork, the pivot ball was loose in the trans. So check all that too.

Dewey316 · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:18 am Post subject:

You might start by pulling just the tranny, and take a look at the position of the throw-out and fork.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:26 am Post subject:

how do you ajust the fork?

where should that big round hex ajuster be?

mine sticks out pretty far. like 1/4 in maybe

91RSVert · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:22 am Post subject:

on mine, to get the travel that the book said I needed, it had to be flush with the bell housing.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:43 am Post subject:

yes i figured it out. to bad i pulled the tranny then figured it out haha.

yes that is supposed to be tightend all the way down cuz its loose anywhere else so its not technically ajustable i guess. haha

well lets see what happens. ill be testing the clutch beforeinstalling the tranny this time. Smile

Twilightoptics · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject:

Correct, the pivot should be tightened down until it doesn't move anymore.

If it's adjustable with a jam nut, then there are some measurements to be made.

Make sure the fork dome is atop the pivot and not slid too far or too little. Make sure the clutch fork and spring are within the ledges on the TO bearing. Make sure the nub on the TO bearing is facing the fork between the fingers, and not on the outside.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject:

ok got it all back together its moving more then before and is all good but i cant seem to get it bleed fully. still wont go into gear.

i have the cars front off the ground by about 1 1/2 feet and it dosent seem to get getting where i need it.

i dont know 100% how to do it on this setup either usually i just gravity bleed but on this one ive been doing the hold open close up hold open close up kinda thing. with 2 people.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject:

Unbolt the slave itself. Crack the bleeder, and squeeze it together by hand, then close the bleeder. Then go uptop and pull the pedal back out, and repeat the process.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:45 pm Post subject:

ok no good.

couldhave swore fixing that clutch fork screw would have done it but got it tightended up and then bleed the system out pedal felt very good.

thenstill wouldnt go into gear at all.

same problem so i go and get a `new master cylander!

get it all installed and bleed and no better.

from the clutch all the way out to all the way in the clutch fork moves about 1/2-3/4 inch

is this enough?

im 95% sure its gotta be something in the clutch disk/flywheel.pressure plate.

im 200% sure the TOB is installed properly the lip on the TOB goes between the metal fork and the retaining spring to hold it in place.

i dont get it this swap is turning out to be horrific and expensive.

any more advise?

whats wrong here?

it cant be the fact that i have the carb flywheel on a FI BLock

the carb block and FI block sound be the same correct?

rjmcgee · The Hammer Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 2328

Flywheel doesn't matter. Do you have the throw out bearing installed on the fork correctly? I'll see if I can find the pic of the incorrect vs correct way.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject:

if you find a pic show me but i think i saw one on tgo and ive done a couple clutches on t-5s before and im pretty sure its right but ill have a look at a good pic for sure.

im just really unhappy right now, i cant beleave this is turning into a nightmare.

i tought the cutting and custom modification would be the mind blowing part.

i was by far wrong.

rjmcgee · The Hammer Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 2328

Go read this thread, there are a couple pictures about half way down.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/transmissions-drivetrain/205405-put-car-back-together.html

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject:

well crap i guess i did it wrong. i put the tin metal piece outside the lip like pic number 1

but will this really cause the clutch to not go into gear at all.

i mean not just hard to get into ger it will NOT go in gear at all with the engine running.

but i guess ill pull the tranny for the 2nd time.

i hear people talking about shims probably not nessasary with a new flywheel?

their wernt sims i was suposed to take out from the auto right?

chevymad · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject:

I think the retaining spring and fork both go in the throwout bearing groove. When you put the spring on the outside it pulls the fork off of where it contacts the bearing. Giving you slop.

Been a long time since i had one apart though, can anyone confirm? That seems to be what paul said up above too.

alloy · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:50 pm Post subject:

Yes they definitely both go in the bearing groove. No question about it.

BigBoi4Lyph · Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject:

humm well shesh.

before i pull the tranny out again.(im going to have to any ways) but

I REALLY want to know if having that bearing installed with the sping/clips on the outside of the grove instead of the inside of the groves light it should be. will cause me not to go into gear what soever with the car running.

so close yet so far. i cant beleave i installed the bearing wrong.

funny thing is it was right the first time just the clutch fork ball was completaly backed out. so i pulled the tranny to make sure the bearing was in right and go the fork screwed in.

so i went from one problem to another problem. trying to fix a problem.