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BigDaddyVu
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:31 pm    Post subject: 87 tpi Reply with quote

My iroc has a slight miss or its more like a stumble on idle after starting it warm or cold (it clears out after 1k rpms) then after 5 mins of driving at idle at a light it dies but after then a quick restart it runs like a champ. i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2. it only does this when its cold and humid. i wonder if the bar sensor may have an effect on it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you checked the timing?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2.


What do you mean by new "tpi?"

TPI cars don't have a Baro sensor. Sounds more like the plugs fouling at idle or a vacuum leak which maf cars are very susceptible to.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would disagree. I think the 89/90 TPI car's had both a MAF and MAP but went back to MAF in 91 or 92. Prior years were MAF as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

blue89 wrote:
I would disagree. I think the 89/90 TPI car's had both a MAF and MAP but went back to MAF in 91 or 92. Prior years were MAF as well.


That's a negative.


91-92 TPI cars are MAP (don't know about 90.)
'89 TPI cars are MAF with NO baro sensor.

85-88 TPI ar MAF with NO baro.


LG4 based cars had a Baro Sensor. There is a difference between a Barometric Pressure sensor and a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor.

TBI cars are MAP and I haven't seen one with a Baro.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think all the map cars take a baro reading off the map sensor b4 the engine starts. LG4's dont because the sensor isnt a true map, its a vacuum sensor. They read backwards.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chevymad wrote:
I think all the map cars take a baro reading off the map sensor b4 the engine starts. LG4's dont because the sensor isnt a true map, its a vacuum sensor. They read backwards.


This may be where I'm confused. Oh you know what, LT1's have maf/map on them. Rolling Eyes Hope I didn't ruffle your feathers.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of your newer cars do have map and maf. Partly because where one doesnt work well, the other does. Also for backup.

My gp has dual, your L31 should have dual also. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2.


What do you mean by new "tpi?"

I mean TPS.

I check the voltage and ohmage everything apears to be in ranged.

This minor stumble started in the fall.

Somebody sudjested it might be a cold start injector on my fuel rail.

any other ideas? before these hyjacking geeks lose track between my posts.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have a scan tool, or way to datalog. I would look at what the sensors are saying, it could be that your coolant temp sensor is sending bad data, and then overfueling the motor.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

by any chance you know the exact location of the sensor?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be someone near the t-stat, not sure exactly where it is on the TPI cars, but the ECU should get the temp from somewhere in the intake. Not much you can find out by just finding the sensor, you need to find out what temp. the computer is seeing.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to see the values before parts swapping. On a TPI motor the ECM CTS is on the front of the intake next to the cold start injetor switch.
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