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BigDaddyVu 12sec Club

Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 1118 Location: Spokane, Wa
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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:31 pm Post subject: 87 tpi |
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My iroc has a slight miss or its more like a stumble on idle after starting it warm or cold (it clears out after 1k rpms) then after 5 mins of driving at idle at a light it dies but after then a quick restart it runs like a champ. i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2. it only does this when its cold and humid. i wonder if the bar sensor may have an effect on it. _________________
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blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2. |
What do you mean by new "tpi?"
TPI cars don't have a Baro sensor. Sounds more like the plugs fouling at idle or a vacuum leak which maf cars are very susceptible to. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| I would disagree. I think the 89/90 TPI car's had both a MAF and MAP but went back to MAF in 91 or 92. Prior years were MAF as well. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| blue89 wrote: | | I would disagree. I think the 89/90 TPI car's had both a MAF and MAP but went back to MAF in 91 or 92. Prior years were MAF as well. |
That's a negative.
91-92 TPI cars are MAP (don't know about 90.)
'89 TPI cars are MAF with NO baro sensor.
85-88 TPI ar MAF with NO baro.
LG4 based cars had a Baro Sensor. There is a difference between a Barometric Pressure sensor and a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor.
TBI cars are MAP and I haven't seen one with a Baro. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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chevymad Master B
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| I think all the map cars take a baro reading off the map sensor b4 the engine starts. LG4's dont because the sensor isnt a true map, its a vacuum sensor. They read backwards. |
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blue89 Member

Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 3482 Location: Bellingham/Eugene
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| chevymad wrote: | | I think all the map cars take a baro reading off the map sensor b4 the engine starts. LG4's dont because the sensor isnt a true map, its a vacuum sensor. They read backwards. |
This may be where I'm confused. Oh you know what, LT1's have maf/map on them. Hope I didn't ruffle your feathers. |
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91RSVert Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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Alot of your newer cars do have map and maf. Partly because where one doesnt work well, the other does. Also for backup.
My gp has dual, your L31 should have dual also.  |
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BigDaddyVu 12sec Club

Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 1118 Location: Spokane, Wa
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Posted: Wed Feb 25, 2009 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Twilightoptics"] | Quote: | | i have new iac, maf, tpi, dizzy, coil, plugs, wires, and o2. |
What do you mean by new "tpi?"
I mean TPS.
I check the voltage and ohmage everything apears to be in ranged.
This minor stumble started in the fall.
Somebody sudjested it might be a cold start injector on my fuel rail.
any other ideas? before these hyjacking geeks lose track between my posts. _________________
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you have a scan tool, or way to datalog. I would look at what the sensors are saying, it could be that your coolant temp sensor is sending bad data, and then overfueling the motor. |
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BigDaddyVu 12sec Club

Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 1118 Location: Spokane, Wa
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 7:57 am Post subject: |
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by any chance you know the exact location of the sensor? _________________
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Dewey316 The Lama

Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 8:01 am Post subject: |
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It should be someone near the t-stat, not sure exactly where it is on the TPI cars, but the ECU should get the temp from somewhere in the intake. Not much you can find out by just finding the sensor, you need to find out what temp. the computer is seeing.
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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You need to see the values before parts swapping. On a TPI motor the ECM CTS is on the front of the intake next to the cold start injetor switch. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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