Cascade Crew

[LB985IROC]

which would you buy?

[QwkTrip]

Well, the first thing I would do is get rid of the obnoxious business card sig. There... I said it. I feel better now.

After that we'll need to know what you are looking for. 1/2 ton, 3/4 ton, 4x4, etc, etc......

Also, why do you want to blow tons of money on a new one? You get killed on resale. Also, as fuel mileage requirements increase over the next couple years the auto makers will have to release trucks with higher mileage capability. This will immediately make older models worth less. Especially if it happens to strike at the same time as high fuel costs. Not to mention that there will be several 1/2 ton diesels by 2010. You wouldn't hardly be able to give away the truck. So you might as well get a good used truck so you don't get hit so hard at resale.

[Sellmanb]

I was actually contemplating getting a new body style silverado, since I'm a GM employee it can be had for cheaper... but there were no rebates available when I wanted to buy one, so I decided to let it wait a year or two and let the first year of the new body style bugs get figured out (only problems w/ tire monitor system resetting itself so far).

Stadium style rear seats in ext. cab is schweet, as well as ext. cab rear doors opening up all the way, that rocks also. Plus IMPO they look seksi

[BigDaddyVu]

Yota all da way. very high resale value, they have less recall than domestic, and they have just as much aftermarket parts as the domestics. non union assembled trucks of the U S of A.

[rjmcgee]

I would stick with Ford, they have been good to me. Would have to be a diesel, wouldn't own a gas powered pickup to drive everyday. With that said I don't think any pickup is worth 40 -45k. I'll stick with this old Ford for a while longer.

[aaron_sK]

Blah. New cars. Don't even get me started on that. Never waste your money. Pick up a truck with a track record, and save a bundle while you're at it.

On a purely theoretical note, having never driven any of the trucks, I'd take a look at the Tundra and the GMC for gas trucks. Don't know about deisels though.

[iansane]

Whatever truck I'd look at either a diesel or older midsize.

[BigDaddyVu]

nah i know from experience. and a toyota owner. but chevy diesel is my second choice. Besides ford been on the news alot for having a mass recall of their ford diesels.

[aaron_sK]

[Xophertony]

or the Pinto which WAS NEVER RECALLED despite killing people if they were unlucky enough to have the left blinker on while hit in the rear. http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/1977/09/dowie.html

or the bronco that ford knew should have been two inches wider that had all those rollover deaths. they put it into production anyway because by the time the crash testing and rollover testing reveled the problem they had already tooled the factory

or the bronco II that ford knew should have been 2" wider and had all those roll over deaths and was never recalled. again, they had already tooled the factory.

the list of fords atrocities is long. i have never heard of anything THAT bad from GM or Dodge, though i bet they are guilty of a lot of the same type of thing. just perhaps with less death as a result. [/url]

[aaron_sK]

I seem to remember a few years ago Dodge had a problem with a lot of Durango and Dakota models with bad front control arms that would give out at highway speeds.

Chevy had some bad stuff to, like putting screwed up seatbelt clips into third-gens, and pretty much any brake system in any of their cars ever.

[Xophertony]

[Sellmanb]

The new diesel from GM is the shizzle btw. It sounds like a gas car, and has more power than the previous version of the diesel (though I believe it's still relatively the same motor).


As for recalls... GM has a lot of recalls on just about every vehicle. Most are quick and easy fixes where you can stop at the dealer for 30 minutes and be done w/ it. My favorite recall to date was one I did a while back, it was labelled something like "unwanted pyrotechnic event" I think it was on a Cavalier, the ignition switch wiring to the starter would overheat if you cranked on it too long, and cause a underhood fire, had to put in a chunk of wiring w/ a fused relay.

Seatbelts used to be almost a constant recall, in the older style c/k suv's and trucks (2000-2006 i believe?) the 2nd row center seat belt was put through a loop at the bottom of the belt, which would put it at just the right angle to strangle you if the belt locked up in a collision event... have to take belt out of the loop and stitch it closed lol.

Amongst plenty of other ones . Recalls dont bother me when looking for a car, it's how good a warranty, and the functionality of the vehicle... appearance is definetly on that list too

[Raiden]

I am considering a new F-150. We were going to get the F350 superduty, but I dont want to drop 40+ Large on a truck. We are getting two horses next year and an F150 can pull a 2 horse trailer. I still am putting my Z up for sale just not ready to do it yet...too busy right now! It never ends!!!

[QwkTrip]

Well, I'll go ahead and give my thoughts.... If it is a diesel then the choice is no contest: It's gotta be a 2006 or older Dodge Cummins.

The new 2007 emissions diesels have complex emission equipment that will likely be unreliable and interfere with modifications. Most were rushed to production to meet regulatory guidelines. The changes also resulted in worse fuel mileage than older models. Also, these new diesels must use ultra low sulfur fuel (50 ppm) and cannot use common low sulfur fuel (500 ppm). Older engines can use either fuel.

The Ford 6.0L Power Stroke has been a basket case. It's not as issue of if you will break down, but rather when. It is so bad that Ford has filed a law suit against Navistar. Ford is in process of designing their own diesel engine for 2009 or 2010 to break off ties with Navistar and cut their losses. The older 7.3L Power Stroke has a better track record. That's what rj and myself have.

The Chevy Duramax is actually an Isuzu design. It's a V8 and has been a good engine but can't begin to compete with a Dodge in pulling power and durability. Nothing particularily wrong with the Chevy. It's just that the Dodge has twice the engine.

And then there was Dodge... The Cummins is the only straight six in the bunch. Anybody that knows diesels also knows that a straight 6 delivers more grunt than a V8. The Cummins is actually a mid-range industrial engine. If my memory serves me it is rated to operate continuously at high speed and 500 Hp. So a fully loaded truck does't even make it break a sweat. I work with an engineer that came from Cummins and she told me the engine had to be severly derated to make the Dodge transmission live. You know what that means.... power galore is just a few mods away. And it will last forever. The Cummins also gets great gas mileage! I suggest you get the newer body style with the AAM axles. 2002(?) and older have Dana axles with weak internals. It might be a Dana 60 housing but the internals are Dana 44. A dirty trick for cost savings.

When it comes to gas trucks I don't have much preference. You probably can't do much better on price than a Dodge but the Hemi gets terrible gas mileage.

The Chevy is an LS based engine and can be modified like nothing else. But the new body style is all street and not intended for off road. The wheel wells are tiny and the front facia nearly scrapes the ground. Also, GM has gone through some very tough times and you can bet they have done some serious cost cutting. At some point cost cutting equates to unreliable and I would be concerned that they have crossed the line. You won't know for a few years until it's too late.

GMC is just an overpriced Chevy for the geriatric crowd. Leave it to the more wealthy. It's not the truck for you at your stage in life.

The Ford F150 is nice but is nearing the end of the body style. Expect the next generation to make the current design obsolete (and worth less). Also, if you can wait a few years then you will be able to get a V6 diesel in the F150 (2009?). That would be a great compromise of ride quality, function, and mileage!

The new Toyota looks interesting. It seems to be closer to a 3/4 ton truck than a 1/2 ton truck. But it is Toyota and you will pay a lot. I think you can still have a good truck for much less. Leave it to those who have more money to spend.

The Nissan Titan gets good reviews. Don't know much more about it. I drove behind one and couldn't believe how much the bed flexed just driving down a smooth road. It looked like it was going to break off sooner or later. There was a Chevy next to it and it didn't flex at all. Not crazy about the torsion bar front suspension either.

[Sellmanb]

the dodge diesels are nice and powerful and all, but when you drive down the street at 7 in the morning and all the kids turn thinking you're the school bus coming to pick them up, you know something aint right lol.

[iansane]

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[iansane]

I remember seeing video of a newer body style chev truck on 35's out at Bremerton Raceway spanking the crap out of a riced out integra. I think the license plate said something like '1k torq' or something

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