Cascade Crew

[scott in wa.]

Are these the ones that I want????
seems kind of cheap..


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/KYB-GR-2-Gas-Shocks-1982-1992-Chevy-Camaro-Firebird-GR2_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33590QQihZ007QQitemZ170015479357QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

thanks
scott

[aaron_sK]

That's a ripoff, they're only $60 off Summit:

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=KYB%2D236001&N=700+4294908216+4294925008+4294908198+4294925130+4294919396+115&autoview=sku

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=KYB%2D343211&N=700+4294908216+4294925008+4294908198+4294925130+4294919396+115&autoview=sku

I've heard that the KYB's are about as good as the Bilstiens, for about 1/3 the price. I like the Bilstiens I have, but I didn't pay for them. If I was doing it myself, I would go for the KYB's.

[scott in wa.]

Humm.
The e-bay thing is for two struts and two shocks.

The summit thing looks like its each.

Also whats the difference with the two struts you listed in summit, wondering why one is way cheaper.'

OK , looks like they are struts and shocks, total at summit $139.66, plus shipping
Ebay, 127.99 with shipping, just about the same 12 bucks

thanks
scott

[aaron_sK]

Summit sells front and back sets sepperatly, thus the two different links.

I didn't notice that the eBay seller had the struts too. My bad.

[scott in wa.]

So are you saying that the price listed in those links are for two???

It says "Quantity: Sold individually "

if its sets, not individually that would make a huge differance

Check it out see the add in summit.
what do you think?
scott

[Dewey316]

The add in summit, looks like it is for just 1.

And I am not a big fan of KYB. Shocks/Struts, are a KEY peice to performance of the suspension, and really here more so than other places, you get what you pay for. For handling performance, Koni is a league of their own, followed by Tokico and Bilstein, KYB is a very distant 4th place.

[aaron_sK]

Damn.... $600 for Koni's all around w/shipping.

Edit: You're right Scott. Summit's are not a set. I didn't see that line at first.

[Dewey316]

I would post shock dyno graph results, on all the shocks available for our cars, but just as it was on TGO, I am sure the information would be lost on most people.

[aaron_sK]

Hmm... search of TGO turned up nothing. Put it up, I want to see this.

BTW, Dewey, what difference will a lower or stiffer spring make on your shocks as far as performance goes?

[blue89]

On that note, how low do you have to go before you bottom the strut out? I had mine on the bump stops for a while and never felt them bottom.

[Dewey316]

Ok,

Here is a graph showing compression and rebound valving on a Koni.



Here is Bilstein



Here is the ADJUSTABLE KYB, this is a MUCH better shock that their non-adjustables, Notice how this shock adjusts the compresion valving also, this is not good. the adjustment you want is on the rebound side, such as the koni has.



Now, the scary part this ils the rear adjustable rear, which should read...non-adjustable, lol.



Compare that to the Koni rear adjustment range.



The real key to controling springs (especialy important with higher-rate lowering springs)

Now, just to put things in persepective. Here is an OEM rear shock.



The KYB actualy has less rebound that the stocker, at high valve speeds.

Hope that helps.

[Xophertony]

wow. suck. i bought KYBs cause the guy at napa said they were the next best thing to bilstiens (which he could not order)

meh... they are still better then MY stockers (which were doing nothing).

[Dewey316]

Here is one of the TGO threads about it.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspension-chassis/353369-advise-balancing-my-car.html?highlight=Mustang+Koni

[iansane]

[chevymad]

Had a "shock"ing experience as a kid with my velle. Schwaabs sold me a set of 70/30 shocks. Put them on, oh my. Every time I hit a bump I was bottoming out. Looked like Squeeks. It was worse then the $5 shocks I bought at a tent sale. The shocks would collapse easy then not let the car back up. Took them back, argued a bit, then they got me some 50/50s. Was at least driveable.

Anyway, I'm following this thread as well. I've got crap sensa-trac's on the bird. I've gotta say that lowering the car helped them though. The way they're designed they have a groove that is wide where the shock normally rides and narrow towards the ends. So the shock get's stiffer the further out of it's rest position it moves. So with it dropped a couple inches i'm in the "stiff", unworn section.

[Dewey316]

Ian, best is probably just start searching the web, for information on shock valving and vehicle dynamics.

[Dewey316]

Here is some good info....

http://se-r.net/suspension/shock_tech.html

[Twilightoptics]

If you aren't going to be a suspension GURU, and don't want to fork over $100's for Shocks/struts.


KYB are hands down the way to go. Better than OE and sensatrac stuff.

[iansane]