Cascade Crew

[Danked]

remember when i talked to u the other day and u said its not good if ur springs are stretched out like if i was to install the air shocks? on my dads old duster he said his springs were stretched out too and nothing happened physically to damage it. do you have anything to reply to this? and how thick is the sheet metal that the upper part of the shocks is connected too? thanks

[aaron_sK]

Uhh.... did Dusters ever come with rear coils? The ones I worked on when I was a kid were all leaf-style.

[Dewey316]

My response? I told you what I thought about the idea.

Do what you want dude, it is your car. I gave you my opinion on why I thought it was a bad idea. Chevymad (in your other thread), even mentioned the exact same concern.

Just as I told you the other night. I would not run a setup like that, as I would not support any weight of the car, with the shock mounts. There are enough people who have had rear shock mount issues on our cars, without any alterations to the way the structure of the car is bearing the load, and what peices are supporting the weight.

From there, it is entirly YOUR choice. You can choose to listen to the advice that we have given you, you can choose not to. Your not going to hurt my feelings. Do what you descide you feel comfortable doing to your car. Your the one who drives the car, your the one who lives with the car, not me. I have zero vested interest in what you do to your own car. I simple gave you my opinion, based on my experiance. Take it or leave it. I am not going to get into an internet pissing match over what you do to your own car. You asked for my opinion, and you got it. My opinion isn't going to change, regardless of what your Dad may have done with another unrelated car.

[Danked]

chill out yo i was just asking a simple question

[QwkTrip]

Let the springs carry the weight of the car. Let the shocks control the motion.

[Xophertony]

my vote is for no airshocks as well. i gave you three good (well, sorta) CHEAP ways to lift the back end a bit. without replacing shocks. an inch or two is all you need to give the car a nice look. with how low your car allready sits in the front any lift at all in the rear will give you the raked look you are after.

[BigDaddyVu]

i did that to my car the air shocks won't last

[chevymad]

One thing I didnt mention in my other post, with the back end lifted up your handling will change. Not sure how much on a 3d gen but the chevelles get really light in the rear. Same night I wrecked the 72, I almost crashed it at 120mph earlier. I was used to my bb 68 velle and it stayed stuck to the road(stock height). I ran the 72 up to speed and started around a very slight corner, nothing that should have been trouble. The back end started to come around on me. Too much weight shifted to the front. This is even comparing a bb car to one with a 350.

[Danked]

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/suspension-chassis/92298-gabriel-hijacker-airshocks.html?highlight=air+shock

[QwkTrip]

How far do you want to raise the rear of the car? And just because I'm very curious, why do you want to raise the rear of the car?

[Danked]

4 inches would be fine, but im looking more toward 6-7, i think camaros look bad ass when they are raised that far, its different, nobody else does it, i saw on that tgo site it broke through the guys rear deck, maybe i should weld on like a 1/2 thick iron plate so that cant happen, wouldnt be too much work either

[QwkTrip]

Dude... the lift kit for my Jeep was only 3 inches. An inch can make a ton of difference. 7 inches and you'll be ready for the Mud Bog Nationals. People will be looking at the bottom of your gas tank and your rear view mirror will become a sky view system. The top of your tire won't even be in the wheel well, unless you use 40 inch military truck tires. Subtle changes are good. Putting on a Skyjacker 7 inch system is not subtle.

How about you begin by putting on the tires you want? That will raise the back end some and you can make changes from there. Do it in small steps so you don't regret what you've done. Keep it simple. Keep it smooth. That's the formula to a baaaaaad looking car.

Another idea: Maybe you're a truck guy and need to ditch the Camaro? I had a friend that loved 4x4s. He sold his '72 Bronco and bought a '89 IROC thinking it would be fun to race around. After 6 months he decided he just wasn't a car guy and exchanged it for a Dodge truck. The Camaro just wasn't his style.

[rjmcgee]

[Nathan J]

7in rear lift, man i thought the 2in lift that my 72 charger had on it made it look bad lol, put down the tools and step away from the camaro

[aaron_sK]

For real, I doubt it's even possible to have a 7 inch lift in back of a Camaro. Your front clip would drag.

[Quasi-Traction]

I'm with brandon on the way that raising the rear end changes the way the car handles. I've driven the fairlane twice since the bigger rear shackles are on. It likes to get real tail happy if you're too hard on the throttle around curves.

I think someone's said this before Danked;
you seem to be going so many different directions, and asking a lot of questions. do you really know what you want to do with the car?

If you do, start making a plan. Have some inexpensive short term goals that you can achieve and feel proud about. I find that an ounce of success with an automotive project, will give me months of inspiration when things look bleak or when I'm in the middle of something difficult. Do things one-at-a-time. You seem to be trying to go at this all at once, and practically everyone who's built one of these cars, or any car, will tell you it takes a lot of time, patience, and money. Nobody here got a fast car overnight. Most of the people who have nice cars in the crew have spent years getting them to where they're at now, and they may not even be what they would consider "complete".

I don't know if you're asking so many seemingly unrelated questions about stuff because you want to learn more, and you kind of look to us as a resource or what. If its available to you, I'd also suggest going to a local community college or something and taking automotive classes. or maybe get a few books about engine design principals or suspension building principals. Even entry level automotive courses teach you a ton about how all systems work and the basic physical and engineering pricipals of why it works. if you can understand the framework of something, its typically easier to understand what will and will not work after that. You have to understand that were people too, and that we can become impatient when we think that you're just asking questions without cause. Most of us are willing to help out as much as we can, but that can only go so far dude. We all want to see you succeed with your car, but I think you need to figure stuff out with where youre going with it first.

[Danked]

i dont plan on doing all this modification bullshit right now, im buying 1 thing at a time, the only damn reason i havent put bigger tires on it yet is because im not sure how fricken much its gonna screw up my speedo, and i dont want it screwed up yet, i want it lifted, 4 inches, thats it. i asked questions about my motor cause i wasnt sure what it was, and i wanted some direction in which way to turn for help. i didnt want to go to a mech and lie and say "your fricken engine is blown" because it wasnt, it still ran a little and try to rip me off, i guess im in the wrong place to ask for direction in which way to go with my car. steve in installing my motor, ive put down $300 to him already, and im waiting on replies from the jackasses on ebay, 85k miles, 3.1l full used engine, $625 including shipping. i have a direction, im just asking where to go after that

[aaron_sK]

None of us can tell you what dirrection you want to go, or what you actually will do with the car (big difference ). That's up to you.

Although I know I've said this before, I think the best way is to simply lay out a few groundrules:

Daily Driver?
What type of gas?
What type of driving?
How important is handling?
How important is torque? (low end)
How important is HP? (top end)
What style of car do you like?
What type of work are you experienced with?
What type of tools/shop do you have access to?
Where do you see the car in a decade?
And last but not least.... how much money do you realistically see yourself spending on the car annually, and total.

Figure that out, then start reading. Find out exactly what other people have done to their cars. Let the rich kids blow their money experimenting on what works, then once you figure it out, you can build your car much more intellegently.

Just so you know, I'll throw out mine:

Daily Driver? Yes.
What type of gas? Don't care.
What type of driving? Very hard street, light-to-light street racing, some track on occasion.
How important is handling? Very.
How important is torque? (low end) Very.
How important is HP? (top end) Meh.
What style of car do you like? Low, mean, loud, but not to loud.
What type of work are you experienced with? Anything short of a full engine swap.
What type of tools/shop do you have access to? Not a whole lot.
Where do you see the car in a decade? Heh... assuming both it and I can survive that long?
And last but not least.... how much money do you realistically see yourself spending on the car annually, and total. Annually, about 2G's, total, I'm hoping to dump around $15,000-$20,000 before it's realistically where I want it.

[QwkTrip]

[BigDaddyVu]

you should try lift bars it may cost a lil bit more but its more effective for traction on hard launches