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[Danked]

so i was wondering.. what high performance stuff can i get for my 3.1L fuel injected camaro? if i cant get much.. i might as well sell this poor excuse for a muscle car and get a 5.7, so please let me know what i can actually get done to this motor

[aaron_sK]

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/v6/

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/v6/349927-read-me-first-faqs.html

Without forced induction, you're going to hit a pretty big wall with that V6. They can hit low 14's with work (read: money) but my car could run that stock. If you are planning on selling your current car and buying a V8, don't do a damn thing to it. Save your money. You never get the cost of mods back when you sell.

If you're planning on swapping a V8 in, then do things that will work with either engine like suspension work, cat-back, ignition, weight reduction, shorter rear end gears, tires, ect.

If you're planning on keeping the V6 as a work car, or whatever, just do a general tuneup. Having crappy parts on there will sap more horsepower than you think.

[Quasi-Traction]

The only thing I'd advise is getting a crappy set of wheels for the car before you sell it, and sell the IROC wheels seperately. A set of four are worth about $150 to $400 depending on condition.

[Danked]

eh.. mine are 16's and pretty scuffed up.. not from me, but the moron i bought this thing from. he treated it so bad. for 1, he didnt change the oil for the almost 3 years he owned it and put about 12k miles on it, and 2, same with the tranny fluid.. so sad to see these cars being treated so harsh. they dont deserve it

[Twilightoptics]

Wow, with that kind of abuse.... you got the car for like $300 right?!

[Danked]

heh i don't even want to mention the other things wrong with it.. but no.. i got it for $200

[Xophertony]

when you buy a v8 one we should gut the useable parts of that and take it offroading. we can stack up some spring perch rubber thingies (you know, on top of the springs) to give it a few inches of "lift" and rally it till it's destroyed. then scrape the vin #s off and leave it in the woods

or we could just send it to the junkyard or swap a v8 in...

but yeah... as far as building the 3.1. take it from me. don't bother. i spend 2 grand "building" my 2.8. now it's the best handling slow piece of shizzle ever. when i get it back i am going to swap over it's suspension/steering onto my GTA except for the sway bars and stuff. i'll prolly get new tie rods too. so i guess just the idler arm and center link... yeah. i guess thats it.

[Twilightoptics]

Picture of a picture.... but that's a Geo Metro.... well it was





Mmmmm Vodka....

[Quasi-Traction]

"i.....i......I could light this building on fire".....

"have you seen my stapler?...."

[aaron_sK]

[84transam383]

[aaron_sK]

Why? Those add at most 100/100. Even on a 3.4, which doesn't have bad numbers for a V6, it's still not worth it.

[QwkTrip]

I would say it's not realistic to use "Camaro V6" and "high performance" in the same thought. If you want a gutsy engine then go to the small block V8 (preferrably a 350 and avoid the 305).

If you want balls-to-the wall then buy my car and start from there. It will save you money in the long run.

[aaron_sK]

Hehehe..... by "balls to the wall" I'm sure you mean "parked in the garage," right?

I actually agree with you though. Treat that V6 better than your woman. Tune it up, don't beat it (too much ), and save your money. Then pick up a decent L98, or a crate swap or something. Start with a 350, then go for bolt-ons.

Once the bolt on thing starts to get old, then you've got to build another engine. Which means you've got to find a garage. And then you run out of money and need a second job, and then you don't have any time to work on it. Then you realize just how bad life bites, so you just roll around in a 20-year-old bolt-on Camaro and get laughs by beating people who spend 30K on brand new Mustang GT's.

Yeah....

[rjmcgee]

The first thing to do is lose that giant shiny muffler!!

[84transam383]

i think you guys forget to realize,swapping a v8 in to his car right now might not be possible,hence EVERYONE says to swap a v8 in. most of the time,even that isnt worth it,its mainly cheaper to just BUY a V8 car,then to swap over.you pretty much need everything from a v8 car to swap anyways,motor mounts,radiator,springs,wiring{you could cut and splice i guess}

and Asdfga3,explain to me why a remote mount turbo on his car wouldnt be worth it? taken even your numbers,its still right on par with a stock L98,granted the torque wont be as high,or as down low,but who cares,most of that just goes up in smoke anyways unless you have sticky tires,or a good suspension setup.

a RMT on even a 2.8 would be badass,complete sleeper and it would up the "fun" factor by 200%, NOTHING beats boost,the endless seemless power is unreal.

maybe your thinking of a setup like STS,which runs like 3-4 grand and up for a kit,it could be done MUCH MUCH cheaper then that,find a GN turbo off ebay,have a shop route up the piping for you,run a boost referenced fuel regulator and a aux pump,larger injectors,or maybe auxilary injectors with a controller{which is whats on my ram} and you have a low buck way to probably double your horsepower

[aaron_sK]

I'm not suggesting a V8 swap. I'd actually said a hell of a lot easier to just buy a V8 car. IMO I'd only do the swap if I was very very attatched to my V6 body.

As for the turbo stuff:

http://i.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/pricing/STS_Retail_Price_List_April_2006.pdf

Download that and you'll see what I mean. They don't have the 3rd-gen app in that catalog, only LT1/LS1. However look at it this way:

$200 car
$3500 turbo kit
weekend of work
=
Worn out V6 pushing out maybe 250HP

$3500 L98 Camaro in decent shape
-$200 sale of V6
no work
=
250+HP out of an easily upgradable, and reliable platform.

[84transam383]

in no way was i suggesting that he spend 3500 on a turbo kit,and yes im very well aware there isnt a turbo kit made by them,or anybody for that matter for a 2.8 fbody.


i said PEICE together,which could be done MUCH cheaper then 3500 bucks. i was talking at MAX 1000,which is attainable if your frugal.

and sorry,your not gonna be getting 250 HP from one of these cars.

there almost all high miles,and if there not,your gonna pay a big dollar for them. thats like saying that iroc,or that gta has a vette 350 in it,and you all knwo what im talking about if you've owned enough of these things.

the TPI is limited severely,tpi is costly to mod{unless you go some other route of EFI} and the shortblocks are weak,well i take that back,i did get a interesting ride in a L98 that survived one hell of a nitrous backfire/explosion,motor was fine,but it made a buddy shizzle himself.

in that route,why not just get a complete roller minus trans/motor and do whatever you want with it,instead of fiddling with it,spending money needlessly,and not getting wht you wanted in the longrun,this way you can buildup whatever your heart and pocket book desires and you KNOW whats under the hood.

[aaron_sK]

True, but there are two problems with that:

1) I don't know how many total miles are on the engine, but 12K+ with no maitinence at all didn't help it. Considering he's already had problems with valve lash, and possibly a bent pushrod, running forced induction on that engine is asking for trouble.

2) $1000 down, and lets say at least a month of hunting down parts and fabbing up a turbo, and you still can just barely hang with the V8 guys. Sure you have a little better gas mileage, and you can say you did it all with a V6, but you're at the usable limits of that engine.

If you're going to spend all the time and trouble to build a turbo system, do it on an SBC, and push 500+ HP at the wheels.

Edit: I'd disagree about the L98's pushing 250HP. With 2K worth of bolt-ons, you should be into the very high 13's easily.

Edit 2: Or you could just run 250 shot in it till it blows up, then drop this in it:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/pts/161938494.html

[84transam383]

yeah tahts all fine and dandy ON PAPER.


push 500 hp to the wheels of a thirdgen....and bring a bucket,or a truck and trailer,becuase your either going to have to pickup the peices,or have it towed home.

everyone here knows the drivetrains on these cars are WEAK,no ifs ands or buts about it,the 7.5 rearend is a joke,the T5 is horrible,the 700r4 is almost as bad.

push that kind of horsepower,and your going to need to spend thousands more just to make the car capable of handling it.


i wasnt aware of his engine problems,i was basing this on a sound 2.8 with no problems.

also keep in mind his weight advantage,my 89 with manual everything and a 5spd with my fat ass in it weighed in at 3190

alsmot all v8 3rds weigh in around 3500 and up,gta's are up near 3800+
that plays a BIG part ,and again you have to keep in mind,he didnt come in here asking how to build a 10 second v6,he just wants it a bit quicker. with gas prices the way they are,i say buildup the v6 and have fun with it,if its in good shape bodywise and you plan on keeping it,id find a 3.4 shortblock that you KNOW is in good shape,and have at it.