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aaron_sK
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The fuel pump fixed the hard starting and lean issue (obviously) but it was still throwing code 43. Replaced the knock sensor with the newer SD type and fixed that right up. Runs pretty good now (and it has heat!).

Speedo: Need to tap the ECM output and hook it into the cluster before condemning the gauge. Buffer box needs to be eliminated.

Oil pressure: Senders are sendering just fine but there's nothing on the other end. Need to convert from the early dual type to the later single type.

Idle: Seemed to be a bit high. Try resetting min. air and TPS.

Heater core: Did it seem to plug up any on the drive back?

Hatch: Time for a slammer. Show that ghost what's up. Laughing

Sorry for the s**t pictures, they were impromptu and I am a terrible photographer.

The Crew hauler strikes again Very Happy


Didn't get any pictures of the pump swap seeing as I was busy working, but I did grab a pic of the snowfall starting just as we finished up:


Rolling Eyes


In addition to the fuel pump flea also got himself some pimpin' new rims:


Which resulted in new rims to roll bananer around on as well. Wink
The car was under cover while we were working. The snow in this shot was just what fell on it as we pushed it back into the shop.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It didn't seem to plug up on the way home, but the temp dropped down to about 100, it never got up to normal. I will check the coolant level tomorrow, sometimes it does that when it gets low. We know the T-stat housing is leaking a bit. If that doesn't take care of it then I'm thinking perhaps some crap plugged the T-stat. It is new OEM. I am leaning towards coolant level right now though, I've seen this gremlin before.

Sendering. . .you make yours up, I make mine up. anyway, what I really meant is the message isn't getting from A to B, but should be a simple enough fix.
You know, the sequence of the pictures makes it look like we took my perfectly good car and stripped everything out of it and painted it yellow.

BTW, if you haven't tried huffing ether out of a bucket, you should really consider it. . .no wait, that's bad advice. But if it should happen. Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like good news. If you need another pull down hatch motor/assembly I still have the other one that you can have.

Was it any fun to drive?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good deal!

Why the rim swap? Were the tires on the bananer-mobile better than flea's? I like the 91-92 style rims better than the 15's but if it was a style choice... well to each his own. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alphius wrote:
Why the rim swap?


1) The flea-mobile tires were as bald as Mike.

2) Jim liked the black and silver (which I am kinda partial to myself Very Happy)

Schultzy89GTA wrote:
Was it any fun to drive?


I am curious to see how it does without two inches of snow on the ground. I will say it was readily eager to get sideways in those conditions. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was it fun to drive???

Well no, it wasn't.

It kept trying to get sideways on the freeway, the no name roads were just plain scary. And that was with good tires on it. I will say that there is a big difference between the old and new. Dry pavement should be fun, and I can't wait for dyno.

Mike, I don't think the pull down is the problem here, I think it is the release solenoid. It doesn't even make the click sound when the button inside is pushed, and the key doesn't do anything either. We checked the fuses and there were no problems there that would prevent it from opening. Right now it is closed and sealed, so I will leave it that way until spring, then me and that smart a$$ ghost go round 7. Smile

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flea wrote:
Mike, I don't think the pull down is the problem here, I think it is the release solenoid. It doesn't even make the click sound when the button inside is pushed, and the key doesn't do anything either. We checked the fuses and there were no problems there that would prevent it from opening. Right now it is closed and sealed, so I will leave it that way until spring, then me and that smart a$$ ghost go round 7. Smile


On the older hatch style the key activates the lock mechanism manually. Do the newer cars use the key to trigger the release solenoid?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope. good point. the key should still release it.

something musta popped loose on there. The part of that is supposed to release it just has a tab A in slot B arrangement. If that became dislodged, I guess it wouldn't work.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Didn't get any pictures of the pump swap seeing as I was busy working


Maybe when I get my new pump, if your up to that Cool

aaron_sK wrote:
Hatch: Time for a slammer. Show that ghost what's up. Laughing


Mine's got a bit of a problem too, not the pull-down, but the release. I think I have a malfunctioning relay, the solenoid cycles every few seconds when it acts up - Could also be the solenoid, I have Chris' old motor, but his didn't have the solenoid, I had to put mine on it. Disconnected for now, works fine with the key.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not even completely sure how I'm going to get mine open to have a peek at whats going on. It's just not that important until we get to some drier and warmer days.
If it's going to be acting up, at least it's in the closed position.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks awesome. and glad the car is running better! And Aaron, good choice on rims... Now that I've go Iroc's i don't want any other wheels! lol

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Hasse wrote:
Maybe when I get my new pump, if your up to that Cool


Just helped Gabe with his today; I'm the fuel pump guy apparently.

flea wrote:
I'm not even completely sure how I'm going to get mine open to have a peek at whats going on.


If the plastic cover can be removed with the hatch closed I would go in that way.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the plastic cover is the only way i know of. problem is there are screws that hold it in on the top of that plastic trim piece.

project for a warmer time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, the only way I would be able to think of to do that is to crawl over the back seat and use cutting/excessive force to remove the trim panel and then replace it. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

flea wrote:
Fought with it for years to get it to close, now that it is closed, it won't open. No one likes a smart a$$ ghost.


Now that Smart A$$ ghost has locked me out of my own car. Evil or Very Mad

Oh Sure, you guys up the the big city will say 'don't leave your keys in it.' But I'm really more concerned with the freakin ghost wandering around in my car locking me out.
Rear hatch. . .Locked out.
Doors. . .BAM locked out.

This has happened before, and yes I'm sure I didn't do it, I never lock it because I always leave the keys in it -- it would be stupid to lock a car with the keys in it. Or put another way; habit of leaving keys dangling in ignition = habit of not locking doors.

Anyone know a good exorcist?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't leave your keys in it.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

IIRC the PDL relays are right next to where the hatch release harness comes out of the main. Sounds like a short or bad ground in that courtesy wiring somewhere.

Did you or B pull any of that wiring apart when the engine harness was swapped?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know if B did or not, I would not think he did but I was in watching cartoons.

This has happened to me prior to the swap too, my more serious idea, more serious than a ghost, is that some moisture might have gotten in there and locked me out.

I go with the light tongue-in-cheek ghost because I looked on TGO for suggestions because with 10 plus years and 129 thousand plus members, if this were even a rare problem someone would have posted up on it by now. I came up with nothing though. That leaves either a ghost, or I'm the first one to have this happen.
Ghosts are more fun than being the first on the beach.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serious suggestion:

How are your hinge pins/lubrication of door lock mechanism? I began having a problem with my Camaro where shutting the driver's door also caused the lock to, well, lock. It wasn't a PDL problem; it was entirely mechanical in nature. Some sort of interference between the latch mechanism and lock mechanism. This led to me locking my keys in my car a few times, but luckily I always have spare keys for my cars in my wallet. I took the door panel off and cleaned/lubricated every part of the door latch mechanism with white lithium grease, and the problem completely stopped.

I wonder if you may have a similar issue that manifests itself only rarely?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possibly.
I will check that out, doesn't hurt to lube things up every quarter century or so anyway.
Only thing is that both doors are locked, so whatever caused it, did both.
My spare key went to work with my wife today, or at least the knowledge as to that keys whereabouts did. Wallet is a pretty good place for it though, I have to admit.

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