Cascade Crew

aaron_sK · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: All about brakes

Or at least a little bit about brakes. Razz

Looking for brakes for the Rustbucket Z project. Seems to be a ton of options out there. At first I was leaning towards doing the late 4th-gen swap. Seemed fairly cheap, and I could run single-vein IROC rims.

Now I've gotten back to the old "if less is more" theory and I started thinking about some matte grey Z06 wheels and going bigger on the brakes. So I've got a few questions for you guys:

What do you run?
What size rims?
Would you have done something different?
Am I shooting myself in the foot for traction and braking if I stick with 16" rims vs. going 17"?

FWIW I don't really want to go bigger than 17", I'm not about the huge wheels.

Dewey316 · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject:

Me: 17" C5 Wagon wheels. 13.5" Rotors, with CTS-V Brembos.

For 17's I still beleive this is THE setup to get (If you can get Ed to make you a set of the brackets I have, as far as I know, he hasn't made a set for anyone else.

Things I would do differnetly...maybe go 18's so I could run the 14" rotors. I would love a pair of 2-piece rotors like Schultz runs, but I'm not sure they will work with the size calipers I am running in the 13.5" rotors. I also would have spent more time looking at rotors and pad combinations. As it is now, I don't have the ideal setup, the cross drilling doesn't cover the entire pad area, so I think my pads are wearing a little funny. That stuff is an easy fix, but it is picking the right combo of stuff. That all said...I love my setup, it KILLS the C4 setup I had before. I have driven Alloys 13" Willwood setup, which is also very good, from a drivers experience there is not a lot of difference between the two, but mine was quite a bit less money because of what I got my calipers for.

I would go no less than a fixed caliper though. Wilwood, Brembo, Alcon, or C6-Z06.

--John

aaron_sK · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject:

Thanks John. I figured you'd be quick to chime in on this topic. Laughing

Dewey316 · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:40 pm Post subject:

redlava · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject:

If you want cheap and under iroc wheels you can't go wrong with the LS1's.

brackets from ed 75$
modifying you exist hubs 100$
calipers/carriers from a jy 50$
some cheap rotors and cheap ceramic pads 125$
odds and ends 50$

So you can get LS1 brakes for 350$, cant beat that.

Al Hasse · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject:

I can't help a whole lot on prices. I bought my C5 setup from IAN, just the rotors and calipers. Rotors are 12.75" and they fit nicely under my 17" wheels, and some 16" wheels.

I bought the brackets from KORE3

http://www.kore3.com/proddetail.php?prod=10088-01

On the rear, LS1 bolt right up to the axles of a disc rear, rotors are 12", parking brake cables can be a bit of a challenge, but not real difficult.

iansane · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject:

If I were to do it over;

16" wheels > Schultz's wilwood setup

17" wheels > firstgen ctsv

18" wheels > secondgen ctsv

I just realized how weird it is that all the brakes I want are from caddies...

Dewey316 · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject:

caddies are the new hawtness. I want a set of the CTSV motorsport wheels, with the 2ndgen brakes....that would be freakin' awesome.

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:39 am Post subject:

I think single-vein wheels fit the look of your project Aaron. I would run the LS1 brakes, they seem to be good enough for lots of heavier, faster cars. Razz

If you want to run 17s and Ed can't make you the CTS-V brackets that Dewey has (to fit 17s), then C5 is always a good choice. I like mine.

91RSVert · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:33 am Post subject:

Stock n Stock Laughing

My theory right now is all the power, and all the pad and rotor does no good if you cant put it to the ground..... which is my problem at the moment. I can lock the tires up just thinking about it.

Id just be happy with a 1LE rotors/calipers/spindles.
Id also be happy with the CTSV motor Twisted Evil

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:39 am Post subject:

Stock brakes lock up the tires yes.

Bigger brakes are for reducing brake fade.

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:42 am Post subject:

1LE setup generally costs more to put together than an LS1 setup due to parts rarity. Razz

It's not so much ability to lock up the tires when it comes to braking upgrades, it's the leverage generated by the distance between center of the wheel and the pad area, as well as fade resistance with bigger pads and rotors which have a lot more surface area to dissipate heat.

aaron_sK · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 9:46 am Post subject:

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:00 am Post subject:

I was just saying plenty of modded, fast, very heavy 4thgen Camaros still use their stock brakes successfully for auto-x and track use. Therefore I'm saying that your lighter car wouldn't have any issues using them. I think you may have misunderstood my point.

I'm a sucker for single vein IROCs. I do like me some SS wheels too though. Razz

Paul was running single vein IROCs with his Goodyear Eagle tires (they're for sale still I think) and I'm pretty sure he was happy with the amount of grip he had available.

Probably a moot point, but for Auto-X bigger wheels bump you up a few classes. But I'm pretty sure your motor and other mods will do that anyway. Razz

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:01 am Post subject:

LS1 is the bare minimum upgrade for the rears.

Mike's still running the same size crosslaces without that much of a traction problem. If you're going to auto-x you're going to want proper tires anyway, 8" wide is plenty.

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:05 am Post subject:

If you do end up using something besides IROCs, I have a set of 2" aluminum spacers I'm gonna sell soon. Smile

Iron calipers are junk. It is rear brakes though, so not as important. Very Happy

The go-to setup for rear brakes is LS1s as Paul said.

redlava · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:32 am Post subject:

I would suggest you look into the mods for the ls1 rear parking brake solutions and what is required before you decide.

iansane · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:44 am Post subject:

Al Hasse · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:47 am Post subject:

Alphius · Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 10:50 am Post subject:

Psh, who needs a parking brake. Laughing

I must be the only crewbie left with LS1 brakes and still no parking brake. Of course, I have never had any problems rolling into things either. Very Happy