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simpson6716
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:45 pm    Post subject: 327 TPI Reply with quote

OK, I have an 85 Z that has a 305 TPI and I just recently got a great deal on a 327. Would the 305 TPI work with the 327? And would I have to get bigger injectors and a different ECM? The 327 came out of a 66 Corvette and it is .30 over with a large cam and fresh heads. Anything that I might be missing or would this be a good swap for the TPI?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 327 TPI Reply with quote

simpson6716 wrote:
Anything that I might be missing


Airflow. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely airflow.

What compression and what's a 'big cam'


A mostly stock 327 would be alright with a MAF setup and a small bump in fuel pressure.

A modded 327 MIGHT be SEMI okay with a 350 tune.

Big cam? Forget about it without tuning yourself.

End answer, yes it can all be done.


BTW 327 = high rev
TPI = 4200max rpm for power.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For what it's worth I would sell the TPI intake and find a nice Stealthram (if you want EFI), or just swap a carb.

TPI will just choke your chicken... Squint
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say it would require different injectors, and tune w/o a doubt.

While I agree with the stealth ram, or do a LTx intake. A tpi can be made to breath above 4200, but it takes alot of work that can be done easier by doing the LTx or aftermarket.

But also, if TPI is all you got and can afford now. Drop it in, and start saving to get the intake you want.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Twilightoptics wrote:
Definitely airflow.

What compression and what's a 'big cam'


A mostly stock 327 would be alright with a MAF setup and a small bump in fuel pressure.

A modded 327 MIGHT be SEMI okay with a 350 tune.

Big cam? Forget about it without tuning yourself.

End answer, yes it can all be done.


BTW 327 = high rev
TPI = 4200max rpm for power.


The motor is still apart so all the parts can be changed. I am not sure what the cam is exactly but I can always get another one.
This is going to be my winter project so I want to get insight into what I am getting myself into.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
For what it's worth I would sell the TPI intake and find a nice Stealthram (if you want EFI), or just swap a carb.

TPI will just choke your chicken... Squint


Is there a lot to do to change from TPI to carb? Could I leave all the wiring and ECM and just not hook them up?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think this is large journal block. maybe exchange to 350 crank.
now u have a lower rpm motor which is much more suitable to TPI.
please note that what ever u do u will HAVE to tune motor by burning custom chips.
please do the homework and put in the parts that will work together to get u want u want.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 14, 2010 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Swapping to a carb setup isn't very complicated. You would need a vaccuum advance distributor as well as carb intake and a carb obviously and either a mechanical fuel pump or pressure regulator if you stick with the electric pump.

simpson6716 wrote:

Could I leave all the wiring and ECM and just not hook them up?


You could, but why would you want to? I'd go with the Stealth Ram though. Wink

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrMike98 wrote:
i think this is large journal block. maybe exchange to 350 crank.
now u have a lower rpm motor which is much more suitable to TPI.
please note that what ever u do u will HAVE to tune motor by burning custom chips.
please do the homework and put in the parts that will work together to get u want u want.

Mike
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66 327 had the small journal crank so no 350 crank
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why run a high rpm small displacement small block? TPI will kill off any fun above 5K on a small engine, which by the way is the only reason to run a small SBC.

For the guys that are listnening to their bench racing grandfathers, dont waste your money on 1st gen SBC stuff. A 327 with 202 camel hump fulie heads was the shizzle in the late 70's / early 80's, it is now just shizzle. I dont care how cheap it is, it's garbage, dollar for dollar compared to what is availible now.

JMHO.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IROCDave wrote:
Why run a high rpm small displacement small block? TPI will kill off any fun above 5K on a small engine, which by the way is the only reason to run a small SBC.

For the guys that are listnening to their bench racing grandfathers, dont waste your money on 1st gen SBC stuff. A 327 with 202 camel hump fulie heads was the shizzle in the late 70's / early 80's, it is now just shizzle. I dont care how cheap it is, it's garbage, dollar for dollar compared to what is availible now.

JMHO.


Wow, ok yea thanks... I'm not going to get into the LS argument again but I'll stick to building my 327 and not wasting thousands and thousands of dollars to get an LS up and running right.....
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get plenty bang for the buck listening to your grandfather. when you start with an ls platform of course it's practical to build off of that and of course you'll get alot of power.

Starting with a 327, or in my case, an old 350, its cheaper, and you'll still get good enough power from it. it's personal preference in the end i guess, but a good built sbc will hang right there with all of the LS's.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

'92 camaro boss wrote:
Starting with a 327, or in my case, an old 350, its cheaper, and you'll still get good enough power from it. it's personal preference in the end i guess, but a good built sbc will hang right there with all of the stock LS's.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IROCDave wrote:
Why run a high rpm small displacement small block? TPI will kill off any fun above 5K on a small engine, which by the way is the only reason to run a small SBC.

For the guys that are listnening to their bench racing grandfathers, dont waste your money on 1st gen SBC stuff. A 327 with 202 camel hump fulie heads was the shizzle in the late 70's / early 80's, it is now just shizzle. I dont care how cheap it is, it's garbage, dollar for dollar compared to what is availible now.

JMHO.

I was just seeing if that option was available. But after loosing to a Mustang yesterday because the car was like driving a VW after 4400 rpm I need to do something. I don't want to lose to a Ford again.
A little Embarrassing.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simpson6716 wrote:
like driving a VW after 4400 rpm


Sounds about right for a TPI car.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honestly, I'm with the crowd, It's gonna be too much of a headache to try to run a modified 327 with TPI. If you do end up rolling with the 327, I'd Sell the TPI setup, use the money you make off it to buy yourself a Air-gap, carb and maybe if you got some dough left over, an adjustable FPR and start tuning from there.

You will make better power for less time, expence and trouble than trying to tune a Factory TPI setup on a 327 with what is, supposedly, a "big" cam (as you put it)

Just my humble $.02

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*cough*
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's still a tuned port design which is great at one rpm but limited from there out.
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