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86toy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:25 pm    Post subject: engine light Reply with quote

okay guys this has got me mad,my check engine light wont go out, car was idling high so i replaced iac, also replaced 02 sensor jumped adl and adjusted iac. also took off battery cable, still light is on, did a scan shows no codes just code 12 all clear. car still idles high. could it be the egr is leaking?also no smog pump its frozen up.
thanks shad.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smog pump wont throw codes. EGR usually doesn't throw codes till you drive around for awhile.

Out of curiosity, if you unhook the battery and wipe the codes, then hook it back up, does the light come on immediately?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes it does within like 5 seconds its pissing me off lol Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you jumped the ALDL, or are you using a scan tool?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive done it all bro, thats what pissing me off damm gm car should have stuck with fords lol
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ya, that sounds better, right now you have a light with no real problems, with the ford you would have lots of problems, and no light Razz
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yes i do still have problems read up. idle still to high in nuetral and in drive way to high,light wouldnt be on if there wasnt a problem.i know this from my 30 years of working on cars, i just hate these new pos electronic cars. Arrow
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

86toy wrote:
yes i do still have problems read up. idle still to high in nuetral and in drive way to high,light wouldnt be on if there wasnt a problem.i know this from my 30 years of working on cars, i just hate these new pos electronic cars. Arrow


Hehe... "new electronic cars". That car was made the year I was born, dude. It's ancient technology.

Check for vacuum leaks, check for unplugged connectors, set the idle stop screw if the tamper-plug is out of it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

30 years of experience? POS? Stuck with fords? Why did you buy the car?

Sorry, had to ask. Anywho, yeah, check for vacuum leaks. Adjust the idle screw...no codes? You're using the right scan tool?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

86toy wrote:
yes i do still have problems read up. idle still to high in nuetral and in drive way to high,light wouldnt be on if there wasnt a problem.i know this from my 30 years of working on cars, i just hate these new pos electronic cars. Arrow


How high is the idle in neutral?

Also what what the process you used to adjust the IAC? Have you ruled out a possible vacuum leak? The electonics are nice and all, but adjusting them around a mechanical problem, will always end in frustration. I would do some old school checks, and make sure you don't have a vacuum leak.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

idle= about 800 to 1000 rpm in neutral, in drive about 650 should be 500 cant lower any more. i bought this car because i love transams , was always a ford guy but now in converted Laughing im gonna pull off upper intake and check egr for leaks and spray around intake for leaks. i adjusted iac valve per instructions in package. also tried adjusting per haynes manual still light is on and NO codes. maybe ill just put a damm carb on it lol.and pull off all emissions, go old school.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vacuum leak with MAF causes run bad, typically not a high idle.

You need to reset the TPS when you adjust the IAC.


http://www.thirdgen.org/tpimod2

Follow those instructions.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have the defrost on? I am pretty sure whenever the AC compressor is running, it clicks the target idle speed up a little.

Since I have a 5-speed car, I don't know your idle targets, my computer calls for 625 rpm w/o AC, and 675rpm with AC. I don't have a in gear target, but those are the idle speeds my car was programed with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

twilight ive done them all. including thirdgen instructions, thats why now in thinking its a vaccum leak somewhere, im serously thinking about going to carb setup,im planning ona big cam and gear drive and a set of zz4 or lt1 heads , headers and so on. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't know about the engine light, but I've had a coolant temp sender cause a high idle without setting a code. My idle at the time was 1000-1500 after the engine was at operating temperature, should have been 800 or so (V6 5-speed).
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Al Hasse wrote:
Don't know about the engine light, but I've had a coolant temp sender cause a high idle without setting a code. My idle at the time was 1000-1500 after the engine was at operating temperature, should have been 800 or so (V6 5-speed).


Bad temp sender will also cause a massive rich condition. Check your plugs dude, if they're black Al might be on to something.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

car runs good no smoke or pinging just high idle and surges a little
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of curiosity, have you read the plugs? That could eliminate lean/rich or vacuum issues.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey aaron check your pms, no havent checked plugs it doesnt ping or smoke or run rich it will burn the tires all day long.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

86toy wrote:
hey aaron check your pms,


Responded.

Burnouts and WOT performance don't really mean a lot in my experience, as the ECM is ignoring a lot of stuff at that point.

I'm surprised it's not running rich. Usually running with the SES lit (and thus in open loop) = gas mileage in the crapper.
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