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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:43 am Post subject: Help me solve this mystery |
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I have owned may 88 IROC since it was new and now have this problem:
It will start and run just fine, but when I turn it off it will not start again
right way. It could take 1 hour to start. All electrical lights up, windows work, radio, but other then that acts dead. It does not even crank over.
The problem began after Ron Tonkin replace the fuel pump. I took it back, for a fuel leak and this problem. They said I needed a tune up. This does not sound right. Had a tune up in April.
Problem seems to be electrical.
I'm not a mechanic by a long shot. Does anyone have any ideas.
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TecherB Princess B
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Some place between gresham and portland
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:50 am Post subject: |
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is the engine cranking but not starting? |
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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: NO it is not cranking |
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TecherB wrote: | is the engine cranking but not starting? |
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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:55 am Post subject: |
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No, the engine is not cranking over.
Cindy |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
1990 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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It could be that the starter is heat-soaked. If you let it sit for a while, and cool down, does it start up?
Ohh, and BTW welcome, from another Gresham Camaro driver! |
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TecherB Princess B
Joined: 14 Jan 2004 Posts: 390 Location: Some place between gresham and portland
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 10:57 am Post subject: |
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if the engine is not even cranking over then it has nothing to do with fuel or a tune.
it is likely a starter starter relay or ignition switch maby even bad electrical connection |
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Al Hasse Member
Joined: 19 Nov 2005 Posts: 4379 Location: Bremerton, WA
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:03 am Post subject: |
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I was almost thinking VATS, but it's an 88 and IIRC, that started in 89 and only locks you out from starting for only 4 minutes.
I would have to agree it someting electrical and most likely the starter, I had a 72 Chevelle (first car many years ago) which acted similarly and the problem was the brushes in the starter. _________________ 92 Camaro
89 Camaro
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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:12 am Post subject: |
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I really can't seem to relate it to the car being hot. Sometimes it can happen just driving to a local store, but maybe that's enough.
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305 302eater Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 604 Location: port orchard
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:24 am Post subject: |
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It sounds like it would be a starter. But kinda hard to tell with this much info. Does the car get to operating temp? Maybe try this, start the car then turn it off and see if it starts up again. _________________ Thirdgenless |
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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I'll starting it and turning it off when I get back to Gresham. What should the running temp be?
Cindy |
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Dewey316 The Lama
Joined: 08 Jan 2004 Posts: 7295 Location: Bringing the tech
1990 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: |
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Normal temps should be 200*-220*ish
Whe he is suggesting, is that when the car is still cold, start it, and shut it off after just a minute or two, so it has no chance to warm up at all, and then try to restart it again. |
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cindylew New Member
Joined: 03 Jul 2008 Posts: 7 Location: Gresham, Oregon
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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Thank you. Everyone for your help. Please don't stop with the suggestions.
The running temp is usually 220. So this weekend I will look into all
ideas on what this could be.
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305 302eater Member
Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 604 Location: port orchard
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for explaining that better john. _________________ Thirdgenless |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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I'll 4th or whatever the starter problem. Had this alot with my s10 that had headers. _________________ 2008 GMC Z71
1991 Camaro RS Vert
1972 Jimmy 4x4
20ft Longhorn Car Hauler
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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Dewey316 wrote: | It could be that the starter is heat-soaked. |
Dang! Good call, Dewey! Now that you mention it I agree the starter solenoid is on the verge of total failure. When the solenoid gets hot it doesn't create enough pull-in force to throw the pinion and close the contacts to crank. After it cools down it barely has enough force to get the job done. It takes very little force to hold the pinion in place while cranking so once the starter engages it works fine.
The easiest thing to do is replace the entire starter. The cheapest thing to do is replace the solenoid. |
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Red Bird Member
Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 195 Location: Yakima
1991 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:48 pm Post subject: same issues |
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I have had the same problem, its been doing the same thing for a while, i thought it was a heat soak issue so i wrapped my Y-pipe in header tape, i thought that fixed it but a month or two after i went to fill up, went to turn the key and nothing, everything else eclectrical functioning fine. I waited a while for a freind to come and help me push start it, before he got there i tried it again and it fired right up. So i swapped out the starter for a brand new bosh unit. it worked fine with no issues for a few months, but once it started getting warm again it would act up on me. At the last autocross i had the issue start up in grid, and it was pissing me off!!! but i found that if i turn the key back and try it after waiting a few seconds numerous times, it will either run the starter as if there was no problem at all, or the car will start to turn over but really slowly like its in slow motion, if it does not get the car started, when i turn the key off and try it again it fires right up. the battery is brand new as well, and my connections at the cables and starter seem to be fine. any ideas? _________________ 1991 Firebird L03 T-5 |
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Bird. Try replacing the battery wire.
My gp had some weird start issues. It was corroded inside the sheething. If your starter has gotten hot, it could have damaged the strands inside that cable. _________________ 2008 GMC Z71
1991 Camaro RS Vert
1972 Jimmy 4x4
20ft Longhorn Car Hauler
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)
Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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Loose battery cable or faulty starter solenoid. |
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'92 camaro boss Member
Joined: 01 Jan 2008 Posts: 410
1992 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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my '92 camaro had the same exact problem, problem was my battery cable, and my starter is starting to go bad too, try either cleaning the terminal and put it back on and see if it doesn't run right, ooorrr just go buy another cable, if it ain't the problem then your only out like $5-10 bucks _________________
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