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Back in Black (T56 swap questions)
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aaron_sK
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 3:56 pm    Post subject: Back in Black (T56 swap questions) Reply with quote

Got the IROC fired up today. Big Thumbs up to Ian for getting me an excellent deal on a really good battery. Car runs great, changed oil and and antifreeze and greased the front end. And if you're wondering, yes, you can do a burnout with only two forward gears. Wink

Got a couple questions for those who've swapped T56's:

1) I need the three plugs for the reverse lockout, reverse lights, VSS, ect. I can get the from TPI_Parts, but they want $12 per plug plus shipping! Is this something I can pick up at Schucks or the local GM stealership, or are these really just that expensive?

2) Right now the car is parked level, and ready to jack. Is it better to swap the pedals, install the hydraulics, remove the console, cut the carpet, ect. before I jack it up and pull the 700R4? Or should I pull the 700R4 first and swap in the new trans, then mess with the other stuff?

Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of the plugs sitting around here, I'll bring a couple with the xmember on fri. The VSS is the same as the coolant temp sensor and my reverse lockout was busted so I made my own connector. I'd do it in order of whatever you feel like. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perfect. Thanks man. The plugs look like normal two-wire weatherpack connectors, but GM lists different part numbers, so I wasn't sure if it was something special or not. Shrug

BTW, that battery is working perfectly. I cranked it a few seconds to let the oil pressure build up, then fired it. No problems at all.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I fit the trans up there and marked underneath where i needed to cut. Then pulled the trans back out and cut.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find it easier to slip in and out of the car doing the stuff for the petals with the car on the ground.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We put it up in the air for everything, but Jen did all of the interior work so far. She is small and just gets in the drivers seat backwards and slides head first under the pedals and goes to work. Tools and car parts begin flying around, and a constant barage of cursing.

On the hole I just cut it a couple nights ago. On my car I did the install tranny, mark the hole, remove tranny and cut. On hers I measured the 86 Z that I have stashed at my parents house and then measured it out on her car and cut. The factory hole is big and I cut it about an 1'' smaller so that I could adjust once the tranny is in if necesary.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rjmcgee wrote:
Tools and car parts begin flying around, and a constant barage of cursing.


Sounds about right. Very Happy

When I fixed the wiring under the dash the first time I found it was easiest just to lay alongside the car and work it that way, so I think I'll swap the pedals first.

BTW, Ian, what's a good time to swing by Friday? Early is better, I assume.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pedals are a b*&$% but totally worth it! I would not attempt to swap them any other way than upside down in the drivers seat. It's the only way to really get in there and see what you are doing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it easier to yank the driver seat and put a small pad over the seat studs. Much more comfortable. It's like laying down, looking up at the stars with your girlfriend. Except better. Laughing

I'll be doing commercial friday so I'll be there at 8am.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

iansane wrote:
I found it easier to yank the driver seat and put a small pad over the seat studs. Much more comfortable. It's like laying down, looking up at the stars with your girlfriend. Except better. Laughing

I'll be doing commercial friday so I'll be there at 8am.


hehehe yeah I pulled the seat also but I'm kinda of big too.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm.... probably would have been a whole lot easier. I wish I would have thought about that
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that would save the back too.... Duh Doh!
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does make it easier to remove it, usually I'll just recline the seat and slide it back as far as it will go and that's enough for me.

I'm a small dude though.

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I wish I would have known that the pedals I got at the junkyard were all bent to hell before I spent an afternoon pulling out the old ones, and redrilling and clearancing them. Bashy Bashy

Got the under-dash back together this morning, and dropped the column back in (what a b*tch that intermediate shaft is). Got the car jacked up, and started pulling crap off the trans.

For you swap guys, what's the best thing to do with the torque arm? Should I take it out entirely, or try and unbolt it from the tailshaft only?
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just unhook it from the tranny, it will stay up tight against the tunnel. Unless it gets in the way of cutting the hole. If your jackstands are under the axle tubes I wouldn't recommend trying to remove it from the rear end since it will want to rotate quite a ways.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now I have the rear jackstands under the joint where the LCA's meet the axle tube, so I'll leave it bolted in. Thanks for the info.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One quick question guys: Will the flexplate-to-crank bolts work with the LT1 flywheel, or do I need the bolts from the LT1?
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I didn't even try to reuse them. I figured if I was in there I might as well buy some brand new ones.
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you guys carry them, or is it a dealership item?
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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't remember if I carried them or ordered them, if so it was a "Help!" aisle thing.
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