Cascade Crew

84transam383 · Banned Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 431 Location: bend, or

just so you guys know,i wasnt knocking your cars,i was mainly saying that in terms of a relative stock l98,for 2 grand alone you could run 12,ssticky tires,and some juice is a proven method,not very reliable,nor,economicaly feasable,since bottle fillups are 40-50 bucks.

all of the heavy hitters are not going the route of a bolt'on l98

schultzy has a 383 with miniram?
rod has a built up carbed small block 355?
paul has a small block with stealthram,cant rember the cubes but i think tis over 350

my main point was,in my opinion i think if he spent the money on a L98 car and thrw 2 grand at it ,he would be disapointed,to a certain extent.
anytime you go fro ma car with 135 - hp,to a car with 240 ish hp and 350ish tq,thats a HUGE stepup,but the novelty wears off quickly,which is why we all mod our cars,im not quite sure if he would see the gain in real terms,that he would expect from 2k worth of mods...to to mention the headaches that come with more horsepower in these cars.

sfcs,suspension,wheels/tires,all of which is jsut as expensive,if not more spendy the the motor itself.

Dewey316 · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 1:03 pm Post subject:

Mark, with nitrous, you probably could.

A BOLT on L98, not a chance. even with $2k. My point was, look at rodney's build-up. Big heads, cam, intake, carb. Pauls, HSR, big cam, big heads. Mikes, 383, BIG heads, big cam, mini-ram.

With an L98, what bolt ons are going to get you more HP than those guys? you end up doing a heads/cam/intake swap to even think about it. I would be willing to be, that in a 100-125 shot of nitrous on a stock L98, won't put you into the 12 second range, unless you really hook up, like 1.7 or less 60' hook up. IF you did that, chances are you are not making it to the finish line, I bet you break something when you try it.

84transam383 · Banned Joined: 25 Jan 2004 Posts: 431 Location: bend, or

well thats also the point i was getting at,its possible with nitrous,but not reliable. these cars are so frail drivetrain wise,you really have to be careful if you want to drive it home lol.

even 2 grand wont get you the boltons,roughly a grand for heads for alums,or 600+for complete irons,cams are 100-400 depending on flat tappet or rollers,headers and exhaust theres another 500+ depending how fancy you get,it adds up insanely fast.

and then,on top of that you have to question the shortblock your bolting these peices too,i know i wouldnt just start bolting on highroller parts like that to a questionable high miles shortblock,especially considering if the motor lets loose,alot of those highdollar parts can get frigged in a quick minute. i think we've all learned you cna start from the top and get to a certain ET,and horsepower level,but to get to the next level,you have to start from the bottom up. basically what i mena,if someone doesnt understand

yes you can make a L98 run 13s relatively easy,without blowing a huge ton of money,but to get the same motor/car into the 12s/11s,its WHOLE new ballgame.

since ive decided to go ahead and continue on with my 84 t/a,im nto even worried about the motor right now,its the last of my worries,right now,suspension,brakes,interior and the body are the concerns,my plan is a single remote mount turbo on a 6 liter lq9 iron block aloum head LS1. the fun would be over real quick if i jsut tossed that motor in and went for it,replacing rearends and trannys everyweek isnt my idea of fun.

if theres one thing ive learned,dont set the goal high,set the goal realistic.

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject:

Yeah, that was sorta my earlier point. If you actually ever fully hook up a stock 3rd-gen drivetrain, it's going to not last more than a run or two.

However I figure if I leave my L98 alone for awhile, and focus on drivetrain/suspension/body/ect. I can build a car that can handle 500+ HP while still actually being able to race a V8.

And now, to the original topic. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that our friend Danked honestly doesn't know what he wants out of his car.

If you're looking for a sporty econo-car, there are better options (like the aforementioned 3.4L 4th-gen which you should be able to pick up for around the price of a decent quality L98)

If you want a usable bit of power, without blowing your budget or spending all day in the machine shop, then get an old 350 Camaro (or even a 302 Mustang *is burnt at the stake*), do minor bolt-ons, and be happy with your high-13 second car.

If you're going to toss the entire stock drivetrain, then it's wide open. Stick with a car that will physically fit your end plans, but if you want an 11 second SBC, there are hundreds of good cars to start with. Anyone for a rebuilt Chevelle?

If you want to learn something about cars with your Dad, then try building a 350 and swapping it in. Nothing fancy, just a seasoned block, maybe some older ported heads, slap a Holley 600 on there and roll. You might even learn what mods need to be done first. Wink

Without actually deciding where you want to go with this project, then you're just going to waste your time and money, and end up with something you didn't really want.

QwkTrip · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject:

Danked · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:08 pm Post subject:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject:

Is that the same 454 that was in the firebird? Embarassed

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:14 pm Post subject:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:37 pm Post subject:

He needs to define decent milage and massive power.

If you want 35mpg and 400RWHP prolly not going to happen.

You want 26MPG and 300RWHP it can happen (with a fourthgen LS1)

I've got 310+ on the ground and plenty happy with 15 before tuning.

You can also go Super Charger and stay out of the high rpm boost for around town.

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject:

A supercharger is going to pull it down more than a turbo would though. With a turbo you're not really into the boost that much until you start to rev it up, then you start to dump gas to compensate for the boost. With a blower, that belt is pulling on your crank constantly, even when idling there's still drag on your engine.

For a guy who spent 200 bucks on a car, he sure does want a lot out of it though. I hate to see anybody dissapointed, but balacning drivability, mileage, and power is the toughest part.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject:

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:03 pm Post subject:

I didn't mean it as an insult, it was just this:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:12 pm Post subject:

Knew a guy who put a supercharger on a mid 90's Z71 pickup.

Had a boost gauge, towed a boat, daily driver.

Said his milage didn't change after putting on the S/C... if he drove it mild like a commuter. Had the power when he needed it especially up hill towing.

That was my point.

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:19 pm Post subject:

Hmm... what type of blower? And did he keep the stock intake and chip? How much boost? Did he screw with the fuel/timing, or was it all basically stock?

Twilightoptics · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:32 pm Post subject:

Stock. Added like a paxton or vortech kit with FMU. That was it.

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:43 pm Post subject:

Kinda figured. Probably 350/450 setup with that kit, right? Not bad for a towing rig.

Quasi-Traction · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:50 pm Post subject:

aaron_sK · Posted: Fri May 19, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject:

Two words guys: Fuel injection

Pick your poison: port, DFI, doesn't matter. Costs a little more, needs a laptop to tune properly, but gas milage... don't even try and compare.