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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:11 pm Post subject: For those of you running an HSR in Washington..... |
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Have you had any problems passing WA emissions? Right now I'm plotting at least a vaugue layout of the engine buildup for this car, and I am wanting to stick with the HSR so I don't have to tear out the entire ECM and wiring harness. However I have to pass three more inspections before 2011 when I hit the magic 25 year mark.
So if I run an HSR on a 350 with no cat, can I pass WA state emissions? |
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83Z28BlackBetty Bam-Ba-Lam

Joined: 13 Mar 2006 Posts: 2083 Location: Aloha
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:17 am Post subject: |
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HAHA emissions... The people got really mad at me when I took mine to get tested. I was over twice the legal limits on all four tests. They gave me the look of "Why are you driving that automobile that is killing o-zone and so bad for the environment?" I was like, because it is the funnest, coolest, most badass car ever, and its your hairspray that is killing the ozone more!  _________________ 1983 Z-28 5.7 LT1, T56, Headman headers, BW 9 Bolt Posi Disc, WS6 suspension
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Wolffy Member
Joined: 22 Jan 2004 Posts: 375 Location: Spokane
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:51 am Post subject: |
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well im no emissions expert, but i think having no cat will fail you automatically
the HSR has no provision for the EGR valve either
ive always licensed my car somewhere where i dont have to do emmisions
maybe Twilightoptics (Paul) or someone else that has actually ran it thru can answer with more info |
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Quasi-Traction "I have petals"

Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 3873 Location: stumptown
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:37 am Post subject: |
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wolfy's got the right Idea.......I have a address outside emissions now, so I don't have to fark with Emissions stuff....  _________________
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: For those of you running an HSR in Washington..... |
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| Asdfga3 wrote: | Have you had any problems passing WA emissions? Right now I'm plotting at least a vaugue layout of the engine buildup for this car, and I am wanting to stick with the HSR so I don't have to tear out the entire ECM and wiring harness. However I have to pass three more inspections before 2011 when I hit the magic 25 year mark.
So if I run an HSR on a 350 with no cat, can I pass WA state emissions? |
You need to have that thing tuned INCREDIBLY well.
Don't worry about the manifold, I don't know that anywhere in WA tests for EGR emissions NOx. If they do, you might have to do some research on how to tune around that specifically.
If you have lots of power and a big cam, there's no way.
I needed TWO cats on my rig (See post) to pass.
So I just welded up two cats, passed, and put my previous exhaust back on. I didn't tune anything to do it, when I put the cats on. _________________ A redline a day keeps the carbon away! |
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82camaro383 12sec Club

Joined: 11 Sep 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Pullman/Vancouver, WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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in vancouver, does the emission testers check to see if you have a cat? just wondering because i need to take my car in and i don't have any cats. _________________ 85 Z28, 383 Stroker, TH350 tranny, Richmond 4.10 gears, dual exhaust
Fastest Time: 12.7sec @ 107mph |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a cat for visual, but no smog pump. I belive it's gutted, but since I didn't do it myself I can't say for sure. It's passing fine now with the stock TPI and an open exhaust. I'm just wondering if dropping the EGR is going to make it fail. |
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BigDaddyVu 12sec Club

Joined: 31 Jan 2004 Posts: 1118 Location: Spokane, Wa
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hey we have something in common i have one of those "catalytic converter" on me car but i got the red neck version. i hollowed it out with a crowbar.  _________________
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know for sure what was done to it, but it snaps like it doesn't have on at all, and the case looks like it might have been a little hacked up.
Right now I'm out of money, so anything I do will have to wait, but I'm thinking of building up a 355, and running AFR heads with a Stealth Ram and a shortter cam. Then, if budget allows, go for forced induction. It just occured to me that I could buy the HSR and run it on my L98 before building up the entire engine. |
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DyskoChris83 Member
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 49 Location: borderline tacoma/university place
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| ( i dont know how to quote but asdfga3 mentioned somehting about a 25 year mark, ) whats that all about because my cars 23. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.ecy.wa.gov/programs/air/cars/emischeckfaqs.htm
5-24 years old. After that, you're exempt from the testing, at least in this state. You've probably got one more test in '07, assuming your username is current and you have an '83.
Oh and to quote somone, use the "Quote" button above their message. |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Different counties in WA will have different regulations, as well as cities. So you'll need to check. It's easy to have a gutted cat on for emissions.
A 355 with AFR heads and HSR Will not pass DEQ without a cat.
What do you mean a "shorter cam?"
I've never been visually inspected.
If your area does not check for NOx, then having no egr on a stock setup wont make any difference. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:14 am Post subject: |
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oregon no test for noX aftermarket fuel injection here i come.  |
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Twilightoptics Hardcore (12sec Club)

Joined: 13 Jan 2004 Posts: 9191 Location: Auburn , WA
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:30 am Post subject: |
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| Xophertony wrote: | oregon no test for noX aftermarket fuel injection here i come.  |
Wrong. Multnomah County and Clackamas County test for NOx. I know this because I was with John several times at stations in both, trying to get his car to pass.
In Vancouver you need DEQ. Run up to Amboy (same county) and you don't need DEQ.
You have to find out what's the law in your direct registeration area. |
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Xophertony Rodeo Queen

Joined: 13 Oct 2005 Posts: 5306 Location: Portland, Oregon.
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:01 am Post subject: |
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washington county no test for nox  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Twilightoptics wrote: | What do you mean a "shorter cam?"
If your area does not check for NOx, then having no egr on a stock setup wont make any difference. |
Brain fart. I meant milder.
In Pierce I belive they check for only CO% and PPM. Been awhile since I studied one of the readouts. |
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iansane Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2004 Posts: 5742 Location: Bothell
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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They do Nox as well.
I was going to register it in pierce but decided to just register it in kitsap and skip the hassle.  |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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It's a moot point anyway. By the time I save up enough money to build an engine worth putting in the car, I'll be lucky if it's not a pile of rust.
Theoretical: Lets say I just to the HSR swap onto the stock L98 now, leaving the stock injectors and TB and just replacing the intake manifold, plenium, and rails. Could I pass with that? |
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wanarunhard Member
Joined: 11 May 2006 Posts: 125 Location: ellensburg wa
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Posted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:14 pm Post subject: hello smog inspection wats that? |
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| here in ellensburg there is no smog test in kititas county soooo we get some weird combos in here might be worth wile to get a po box here yes? |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 5:41 am Post subject: |
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I'm a long way off just yet. About a week after I bought the car I quit my job, and while my new job pays more, I'm only working about 25 hours a week, so cash is a bit tight right now.
I'm also debating whether the Stealth Ram is a good combo for a twin turbo app. I haven't seen a lot of people successfully use it, most opt for the Accel DFI, Mini-ram, Super-ram, ect.
I like the idea of being able to run my stock ECU, but I don't want to buy an HSR, and then have it be a bottleneck a couple years down the road. |
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