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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 6:34 am    Post subject: 99 Malibu questions Reply with quote

So helping a mommy of 3 out by fixing her car.

It has the 3.1 "m" code engine. Idling rough, compression test showed 70 in cyl 1, while rest were 110-115. I am getting lots of steam that smells like exhaust back thru the radiator. Getting lots of water(no coolant smell) from the exhaust.

Whats confusing me, is the spark plug had no rust. No coolant smell from exhaust. Does the converter clean that up, or does it burn away from the heat and just leave steam/water?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also trying to figure out the difference between the head gasket sets. There are 3.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Water is a natural byproduct of combustion, so seeing some in the exhaust is normal. I'd be looking at that #1 cyl.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm talking this thing had so much water in less then 5 minutes, it looked like I spilt 2 gallons of water under the back end of the car.


I got it apart last night. Whats effed up is the gasket was cracked on 3, and thats what was getting fluid. However, you could see exhaust blowby going over to cyl 1

However, 4 of the 6 cyls had cracks in the heads between the valves. One was also cracked to the spark plug hole.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:00 am    Post subject: OOO that bad Reply with quote

I think Malibu were notorious for this. Intake gaskets leaking.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All fwd 3100/3400's were known for intake gaskets. Which had already been done on this car.

This one, the heater core went out, she kept driving it and it over heated. But I think the head gasket was on its way out already by the looks of the gasket. The over heating just finished it off.

Oh, I never did find the drain plug on the radiator either. Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GM had a crapload of coolant gasket failures in that era. A combination of the poorly engineered plastic gaskets and the poorly engineered DexCool.

Jay, it sounds like this car's headed for China unless you can find another late 60* for scrap price.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Uh dexcool is badass man.....
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dex is great until it gets old. It needs changed on schedule.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is that they billed it as a "lifetime" coolant and then sold all those cars to women. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is lifetime. When the engine dies it's lifetime is over.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont remember seeing anything other than extended life. I dont run green in anything I own. Check the freeZing point annually and is good is good is goooood.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alphius wrote:
It is lifetime. When the engine dies it's lifetime is over.


Squint Quiet, you.


When I bought the Monterey it had a reprint of the Ford dealer service manual for the '62 Thunderbird in the trunk. In the Ford literature they touted both lifetime antifreeze and a lifetime maintenance free battery. Cool

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I dont remember seeing anything other than extended life.


IIRC they only ever guaranteed it for 150K. Problem was that the acid they added to get it to last ate the o-rings and and plastic gaskets. Then there were the people stupid enough to actually believe it would last 150K. Laughing

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I dont run green in anything I own.


Bavarian blue in the Bimmer, Fleetguard Final Charge SCA red in the knocker. Green is for beater commuters. Dexcool is for flushing out. Cool
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I run cheap green stuff and change it every year or two.
I do electrolysis and acidity tests as well. This method has never done me wrong. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Bavarian blue in the Bimmer, Fleetguard Final Charge SCA red


Cliffs on final charge? We've stocked that for awhile and I've never sold any of it because I don't know what to recommend it for...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

aaron_sK wrote:
Jay, it sounds like this car's headed for China unless you can find another late 60* for scrap price.


Yea, she doesnt have the money to fix it. I have some mechanic friends that like to flip cars, so I'm talking to them. I'm debating myself, but I have to many projects as is to spread my money across.
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iansane wrote:
Cliffs on final charge? We've stocked that for awhile and I've never sold any of it because I don't know what to recommend it for...


Saves diesel guys from having to buy bottles of SCA's and test strips and fiddling with that BS all the time. They claim 3 years, 6K hours or 300K before you have to add their "extender" and then it's good for another three years.

Sell it to diesel guys. Especially guys with the IDI 7.3 or the 7.3 Strokes, those seem to get the block worm worse than other engines.
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