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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5474
1987 Pontiac Formula
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Use the tap. Accepted practice. Done it many many times. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:41 pm Post subject: |
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Everything ended well today. Fortunately, GM used a captured nut that is extremely tall so there is a ton of thread to play with. I would have been screwed (pun intended) if it wasn't for the generous amount of thread.
I do appreciate the advice and I did try a tap just in case it made things easy but it followed bad threads and cut things up. There just wasn't any good thread for the tap to follow because damage was too deep. No harm done though because I didn't go any deeper than I would with the drill. I ended up drilling out at least 4 threads (probably more) before a bolt would start properly. K-member is back up in place and I'm not disturbing that bolt ever again! Well, except to torque it. I haven't done that yet. |
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Red Bird Member
Joined: 28 Jun 2005 Posts: 195 Location: Yakima
1991 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hey man, i dont know if you remember me, My name is Isaac, you advertised a free 10bolt in the tri-cities, and i picked up the original 10 bolt from your bird back in 07 or 08. I used the 3.42 gears out of your old 10 bolt with a brand new auburn racers diff in my 91 bird, they work great as you can see, Your car and build thread are awesome, thanks again man!
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Cool! Glad to see stuff go to good use. Nice pictures. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Sun May 19, 2013 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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This weekend I picked up where I left off 5 months ago and did some more soldering to extend the harness. I'm not having fun at all at this point. Wiring just goes on forever.... and ever.... and ever. I've challenged myself to finish at least one circuit a night until the wiring is sorted out. It's not going to get done unless I poke away at it bit by bit. Working on it in short spurts isn't really getting me anywhere. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 5:44 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, I must be crazy, because I love doing wiring.
The trick is to never stop.
If you stop and start you will forget things and get confused.
Harness extension is easy work, but monotonous. It shouldn't take more than a day if you bear down and do it.
Scratch-building harnesses is what takes time. |
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Alphius Peanut
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 2429 Location: Grand Mound
1984 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
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Posted: Mon May 20, 2013 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I spent a solid 10-12 hours over 2 days working on my harness in total, including the extending. Probably half of that was extending and half of that was miscellaneous wiring that needed to be done for power, relays, gauge functions, OBDII, etc. It was a little monotonous, but once I got a rhythm it went quickly. It helped me a lot while extending to listen to music in the background and just zone out and solder like crazy.
I think building a harness from scratch is more mentally stimulating than extending, so it isn't as annoying to do. The mental monotony really got to me after a while of soldering tiny wires together. The light at the end of the tunnel kept me going. _________________ 84 Camaro Z28 - LS1/T56
85 Silverado - Low and Slow |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Fri May 24, 2013 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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Dude, I have spent 10 - 12 hours just drinking iced tea and contemplating what to do next. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 8:03 am Post subject: |
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Dude, you're gonna get in trouble with the union, letting the true secret to engineering out on the internet like that! |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Mon May 27, 2013 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe I need to change my name to, SlwTrip |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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With each post my attitude is declining.
I need to move the engine forward a couple inches to line up with the trans mount. The engine is way too far back and barely clears the firewall. I tried moving it forward with ratchet straps but the LS1 motor stands on the K-member are too elastic and the engine just pops back when tension is released. So I'm going to have to separate the engine from the K-member again (AAAAARRRRGGG!!!!) and spread the mount ears on the K-member with some nuts and all-thread. Hoping I can spread the ears enough to allow the engine to set in place in forward position and then use the motor mount bolts to pull it all together with the engine in the correct location.
Today I found a person in town that is a real car nut. He is a financial investor in Vengeance Racing and has offered to take my car down to the shop in Georgia and have it finished. I'm going to see what it costs. Sounds like he could get it done lickity-split and I could be driving it very soon. Tempting idea indeed. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 7:24 am Post subject: |
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QwkTrip wrote: | The engine is way too far back and barely clears the firewall. |
So?
As long as it doesn't hit within the movements of the mounts, who cares?
QwkTrip wrote: | move the engine forward a couple inches |
Define "couple." If you are out that far something is installed wrong or the chassis is bent.
What trans crossmember? Is it installed all the way back? |
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RSFreak The other "John"
Joined: 23 Jan 2004 Posts: 2946 Location: Renton
1989 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:45 am Post subject: |
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Why not move the tranny mount back? _________________ '86 Trans Am - 5.0L TPI - LT1 cam - 700R4 - WS6
'85 Camaro Berlinetta - IROC clone
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91RSVert Member
Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 2736 Location: AR
1991 Chevrolet Camaro RS
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Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2013 10:56 am Post subject: |
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Leaving the motor back will help ever so slightly in weight distribution. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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RSFreak wrote: | Why not move the tranny mount back? |
Because the shifter needs to come up in the correct location.
I don't know why but I didn't work on my car all summer and now that it's 24F outside I decide to work on the car in a cold garage. Go figure. Anyway, I dropped the suspension and BMR K-member tonight (I'm rather good at that now). I'm going to get mean with it and spread the motor stands so I can move the engine forward where it should be. We'll see how it goes. If it weakens the metal then I'm going to put the stock K-member back in and be done with it and worry about air conditioning at a later time. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Tue Nov 12, 2013 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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Thoughts:
1) How much is it out? Half an inch I can see in manufacturing tolerances (i.e. BMR's continued incompetence) or chassis variance from one vehicle to the next (i.e. this kind of nonsense). However if "couple inches" means the same thing to an engineer as it does to a carpenter then you may have a more serious problem.
2) The force on the motor mount stands is all torsional around the axis of the crankshaft. The motor doesn't really move forward or back much, so your weakening the metal in that direction is not too big of an issue IMHO.
3) Slight changes in shifter location is not a deal breaker. I ran mine tight to the back of the factory hole in Banana without issue, and my T56 shifter was actually rear of the stock location by about an inch and a half before it started hitting the console. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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It was a good night around my place! I spread the motor mounts as far as the bolts would allow so I could still get the nut started when I put it back in the car. This is the first time the K-member didn't fight me the whole way in and I got every bolt in without cussing. It didn't fit any better, I've just gotten good at it with all the practice. And then in the moment of truth I put the floor jack under the transmission.... gave it a wriggle and push.... and the whole engine moved forward!
Another stick of all-thread to make a homemade spreader. Jam nuts tight on the back, pair of greased up washers on each end to provide a slip surface, and a turning nut on the front.
... And magically the front tab moves forward while the rear tab stays in place.
And this piece of all-thread was for one time use. Reminder to not buy any hardware from Menards. All they sell is crap.
Transmission lined up! Now I need to cut the floor pan so I can install the bushing.
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chevymad Master B
Joined: 11 Jan 2004 Posts: 5474
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 7:24 am Post subject: |
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All thread is crap everywhere, it's meant to be used in tension only and isn't graded at all. I keep thinking how flimsy those motor mounts look. |
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aaron_sK Member
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 8834 Location: Back in beautiful Tacompton
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 8:20 am Post subject: |
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It's a Christmas miracle. Jon has modified something.
chevymad wrote: | All thread is crap everywhere, it's meant to be used in tension only and isn't graded at all. |
Agreed. I have bent or stripped plenty of it over the years doing silly things like this. |
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QwkTrip 11sec Club
Joined: 17 Feb 2004 Posts: 3942 Location: Peoria, IL
1989 Pontiac Firebird
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Posted: Thu Nov 14, 2013 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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chevymad wrote: | I keep thinking how flimsy those motor mounts look. |
You're not the only person thinking that. I still fail to see how this flimsy K-member is an improvement over the stock K-member.
aaron_sK wrote: | It's a Christmas miracle. Jon has modified something. |
Now come on, that's not the first .......................... *thinking* ............................ okay, I guess it is. |
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