Cascade Crew

Al Hasse · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:08 pm Post subject: Wide Band options...

I'm shopping for one so I can tune better. My EBL Flash can take inputs from a number of different types, 0V-5V for 10:1-20:1, 9:1-17:1, 9.6:1-19.6:1, 10:1-18:1 and 1V-2V for 10:1-20:1 plus other user defined inputs. Its programmed inputs are for TT1-WB (EBL's own), AEM, AFX, PLX, Innovate, Zietronics, and Dynojet.

I'm looking for something fairly easy to use and not too awful expensive.

The EBL unit has 2 wide band outputs, one of which can be used as a simulated narrow band, the other to the data logger. It's $189 plus $10 for shipping.

I'm leaning toward the EBL piece, but looking for other options/opinions on others from you that have some of the other brands.

aaron_sK · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:43 pm Post subject:

I like my AEM but have not had any other brands. It requires no calibration which is fantastic, comes in analog or digital (with sweep) and can be had for around $200.

iansane · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:23 pm Post subject:

Had the innovate, hated the almost weekly free-air calibration required. Now I have an AEM. However, I haven't fired it up yet.

Alphius · Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject:

I have two Innovate LC-1s. One in each car. The one in my Camaro has been good for the past two years or so but I bought a new sensor with my new heads because I felt that the response was getting a little slow. I did zero free-air calibrations over that whole time and it still seemed to be dead on. The one in my Subaru I replaced twice now but only because I burned out the sensor. My own fault. It was wired to come on in the accessory key position and since I sometimes listen to the stereo with the car off, it got burned up quickly. That's now fixed and I've been on the same sensor for the last 6 months or so with no free-air calibrations.

The other nice thing about the Innovate is that sensors are only like $47 at any autoparts store and they are almost always in stock. It uses a Bosch 17014 which came in many turbo VWs around 2001-2006 or so meaning that it's easy to find.

The new Innovate MTX-L looks pretty cool for someone who wants the controller integrated into the gauge like on the AEM. I have no experience with this one. My LC-1s have been solid though.
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTXL.php

fiveoformula · Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 11:15 am Post subject:

I have the AEM also. I think its been installed for about 2.5 years and its never given me fits. Don't really have experience with anything else but this one seems to work great.

Al Hasse · Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:09 pm Post subject:

Based on the responses here and a little research, I ordered myself the AEM controller with its gauge, along with a single pillar pod. Knowing Summit's reputation, it should be here mid week.

DBL_TKE · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:04 pm Post subject:

What do you have to do in order to utilize the Wideband with EBL?

Al Hasse · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject:

In the preferences, just select VE learn to use WB instead of BLM. Also set up the ADC channel I connect it to for the AEM (EBL already has it configured).

Twilightoptics · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:01 am Post subject:

The innovate xd-16 pigtails are crap and their customer service sucks.

Ian, what free air cal did you have to do weekly? I do mine once a year and it's fine, what's your issue?

I've used the AEM on several applications. It's durable and cheaper and I will go that route when the Innovate dies.

Alphius · Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject:

The XD-16 is awesome. I don't know what pigtail problem you are speaking of? I have one in my Subaru and it's been great. I love it. The DB series is cool too, but a tad bright for night driving with the blue gauge that I have in the Camaro on the A-pillar.

I have not had any issue where I needed to call Innovate, so I cannot speak to their support.

The AEM on Amazon is 178.98 cheapest I can find.
The Innovate LC-1 with DB gauge is 173.88 cheapest.
A new sensor for an Innovate is $51 at any parts store. The one for the AEM is 79.99 and only available online that I can find.

Both my Innovates are going on 3 years with no problems. Seems pretty durable to me.

So the Innovate is cheaper, sensors are cheaper and easier to find, don't need to calibrate hardly ever and are plenty durable and reliable. I don't mean to be picking a fight or anything, but in every metric I can think of the Innovate is better, aside from having to do a free-air calibration every once in a while. And even that is a 5-second process with the XD-16. (after car has been sitting overnight, press button three times fast until "CAL" flashes, then a 4th to initiate calibration)

So why the Innovate hate in here? Laughing

iansane · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 11:04 am Post subject:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:10 pm Post subject:

It's pesky with the grounds I know that.

Gabe, the stereo terminal ends are known to break wires inside. They knew about it. Hopefully got it sorted out now.

Alphius · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:02 pm Post subject:

Twilightoptics · Posted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:07 pm Post subject:

Dewey316 · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:23 am Post subject:

Not that many, my LC-1 has like 3 grounds, and it just asks for them to be grounded at the same place as the ECU, that part is not rocket surgery.

Twilightoptics · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:26 pm Post subject:

XD-16 WITH LC-1 iirc Has 4 grounds.

I never had it grounded to the ecm ground.

iansane · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject:

I feel like we've dropped the subject of WBO2s and are now conversing about fighter jets.

Al Hasse · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:14 pm Post subject:

I got my package from Summit today Very Happy

AEM gauge/controller with sender and pillar mount. All looks pretty straight-forward for install though routing may be a challenge with the size of the connectors. I test fit the gauge into the pod, and I don't think it's coming back out being it is so tight. Also, the pod fits nicely against the A-pillar. I'll try to get this done Saturday Cool

turbo_jimi · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:44 pm Post subject:

Nice!

aaron_sK · Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: